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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 9, 2009 10:13 PM
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Many of the Pennsylvania "Dutch" were Palatine Germans from Alsace-Lorraine & not Dutch (Netherlands) at all. Protestant: Lutherans & Moravians. Many came to N.C. via the "Great Wagon Road" that Daniel Boone helped to blaze. The British recruited them to come to the colonies.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 9, 2009 10:07 PM
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> I come from a long line of ulster scots, and i live
> in the ozarks in southwest missouri. I would venture
> anywhere here (national forests, etc.) that i would
> go in downtown St. Louis. I would be equally tense
> going into unknown areas in either situation (because
> i have no business there, literally). there are
> criminals and miscreants EVERYWHERE, dont blame the
> geography! There are puppy mills and meth labs here,
> just like there are crack dens and armed robberies in
> the bigger cities, and this is true of most other
> states. It doesnt really matter if you are in
> missouri or anywhere else, there are good people and
> bad, safe places and dangerous areas, stupid people
> and the well-informed, conservatives and liberals,
> etc. etc. This place is no nirvana, but its as good
> as anywhere else.
lisamacuser,
As good as even Kansas? Iowa, Michigan, California or New York?
Do you consider yourself a Southerner?
If you haven't been reading these threads lately these have been discussed.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 9, 2009 9:50 PM
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Present rate suicide in US Army: 1 every other day.
From the Army Times http://tinyurl.com/yhrt74r
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 5, 2009 8:50 PM
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Thanks again DaN
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 5, 2009 8:20 PM
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Great stuff JimEarl,
And it makes me proud/happy/whatever that those of Northern European ancestry are coming forward and proclaiming their ancestral roots in this day of "where am I from/who am I really."
All of that has increasingly got lost as we've become homogenized into the American meltingpot/cesspool.
LOVE your stuff buddy! Very cerebral. A lost commodity these days.
DaN
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 5, 2009 7:51 PM
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> > interesting post jrcel
> >
> > Even though Appalachia and the Ozarks
> > are often thought of as "Scots-Irish" enclaves,
> > much of the population of Appalachia is actually
> > English and derived from indentured servitude
> > in the Carolinas.
> >
> > Loretta Lynn, for instance, thinks of her
> > heritage as "Irish" and Cherokee but the
> > name "Lynn" is actually English although
> > there is likely Ulster Scots in the mix as
> > well.
> >
> > And I will stand by my historical interpretation
> > of Cromwell wanting Scots borderers off of
> > England's northern border....It is shared by
> > historians such as T. R. Fehrenbach who
> > is author of "Lone Star: A History of Texas
> > and the Texans" and "Fire and Blood: A History
> > of Mexico".
> >
>
> In addition to your points, many of the so-called
> "Scots-Irish" were protestants and would have been
> from the area that is now known as Northern Ireland.
> My own grandparents classified themselves this way
> but my ancestors are actually from Wales. The potato
> famine and other disasters in Great Britain, made
> even indentured service seem somewhat appealing.
>
The "potato famine" preceded Catholic immigration
before the civil war and not the earlier protestant
immigration which is who first invaded the native
American hunting grounds in Appalachia as an
armed group.....ALL of the so-called "Scots Irish"
were protestant, iow.
Many indentured servants were shanghaied
or turned loose from debtors prison or jail in
London and sent to the Carolinas for servitude.
Indentured servants were by and large English
and not Scottish borderers although they both
make up the population of Appalachia.
Ulster was actually the name for Northern Ireland
and when Cromwell colonized it with protestants
(Catholic immigration to the US began with the
Industrial revolution just before the civil war)
he also used protestants from Wales and
French Huguenots as well....Daniel Boone, for
instance was Welsh and Huguenot and the
name "Boone" is Huguenot.
In addition there was some German influx when
the "Scots Irish" were in Pennsylvania before they
went south and crossed into Appalachia. The famous
Indian-scalp taker Jim Wetzel was actually German.
(Both Boone and Wetzel took scalps, btw) The rifles
that the pioneers brought with them were actually
made by German American gunsmiths in Pennsylvania,
btw....their backup weapon of choice was always
the tomahawk.
My relatives were from the Isle of Butte off of
Scotland and only immigrated to Ulster (or Northern
Ireland) about 15 years before they came to the
US (which was about 1755) unlike Scottish borderers,
most of whom immigrated to Ulster during Cromwell's
time.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM
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I come from a long line of ulster scots, and i live in the ozarks in southwest missouri. I would venture anywhere here (national forests, etc.) that i would go in downtown St. Louis. I would be equally tense going into unknown areas in either situation (because i have no business there, literally). there are criminals and miscreants EVERYWHERE, dont blame the geography! There are puppy mills and meth labs here, just like there are crack dens and armed robberies in the bigger cities, and this is true of most other states. It doesnt really matter if you are in missouri or anywhere else, there are good people and bad, safe places and dangerous areas, stupid people and the well-informed, conservatives and liberals, etc. etc. This place is no nirvana, but its as good as anywhere else.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM
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> interesting post jrcel
>
> Even though Appalachia and the Ozarks
> are often thought of as "Scots-Irish" enclaves,
> much of the population of Appalachia is actually
> English and derived from indentured servitude
> in the Carolinas.
>
> Loretta Lynn, for instance, thinks of her
> heritage as "Irish" and Cherokee but the
> name "Lynn" is actually English although
> there is likely Ulster Scots in the mix as
> well.
>
> And I will stand by my historical interpretation
> of Cromwell wanting Scots borderers off of
> England's northern border....It is shared by
> historians such as T. R. Fehrenbach who
> is author of "Lone Star: A History of Texas
> and the Texans" and "Fire and Blood: A History
> of Mexico".
>
In addition to your points, many of the so-called "Scots-Irish" were protestants and would have been from the area that is now known as Northern Ireland. My own grandparents classified themselves this way but my ancestors are actually from Wales. The potato famine and other disasters in Great Britain, made even indentured service seem somewhat appealing.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 9:15 PM
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interesting post jrcel
Even though Appalachia and the Ozarks
are often thought of as "Scots-Irish" enclaves,
much of the population of Appalachia is actually
English and derived from indentured servitude
in the Carolinas.
Loretta Lynn, for instance, thinks of her
heritage as "Irish" and Cherokee but the
name "Lynn" is actually English although
there is likely Ulster Scots in the mix as
well.
And I will stand by my historical interpretation
of Cromwell wanting Scots borderers off of
England's northern border....It is shared by
historians such as T. R. Fehrenbach who
is author of "Lone Star: A History of Texas
and the Texans" and "Fire and Blood: A History
of Mexico".
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Edited by JimEarl at 10/03/2009 6:34 PM PDT
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 8:57 PM
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solong
Yes you are the only one who thinks that Letterman is an asshole. And there's bound to be a few more.
I admire the guy for putting it all on the table.
I can judge for myself.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 6:29 PM
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> > If a couple gets married in Alabama then move
> to
> > Texas. Are they still legally brother and
> sister?
>
> With the recent Palin episodes Alaska shouldn't be
> putting down any other states. If the couple get
> married in Alaska they are still man & moose.
>
> --
> Edited by s2grand at 10/03/2009 3:23 PM PDT
Palin is an idiot. Did I strike a nerve? It's only a joke, an old one at that.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 6:26 PM
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The Scottish Borders or simply the Borders (Scots: the Mairches) (Gaelic:Crìochan na h-Alba) is one of 32 local government council areas of Scotland. It is bordered by Dumfries and Galloway in the west, South Lanarkshire and West Lothian in the north west, City of Edinburgh, East Lothian, Midlothian to the north; and the non-metropolitan counties of Northumberland and Cumbria in England to the south and east. The administrative centre of the area is Newtown St. Boswells.
Historically, the name Scottish Borders designated the entire border region of southern Scotland and, together with neighbouring areas of England, was part of the historical Borders region.
The King's Own Scottish Borderers was an infantry regiment of the British Army, part of the Scottish Division. It was raised on 18 March 1689 by the Earl of Leven to defend Edinburgh against the Jacobite forces of James II. It is said that 800 men were recruited within the space of two hours. The Regiment's first action was at the Battle of Killiecrankie on 27 July of the same year. Although this battle was a defeat for the government army, the Jacobite commander, Viscount Dundee (Bonnie Dundee), was killed by a volley fired by Leven's Regiment, bringing an end to James II's attempt to save his throne. The Regiment was judged to have performed well and was granted the privilege of recruiting by beat of drum in the City of Edinburgh without prior permission of the provost. For a period it was known as Semphill's Regiment of Foot, the name under which it fought at the Battle of Culloden in 1746. When the British infantry were allocated numerical positions in the 'line' of Infantry the regiment was numbered 25th Foot (based on its formation date) in 1751. The Regiment fought at the Battle of Minden on 1 August 1759 with five other regiments; this battle honour was celebrated by the Regiment each year on 1 August. The 25th was the county regiment of Sussex from 1782 to 1805, before its recruiting area was moved to the Scottish Borders region. From then it was known as the King's Own Borderers, becoming the King's Own Scottish Borderers in 1887. The Regiment was affectionately known by the Scottish public as the "Kosbies" but this term was never used within the Regiment.
Restructuring of the Infantry
Until 2004 the regiment was one of five in the line infantry never to have been amalgamated, the others being:
The Royal Scots
The Green Howards
The 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment
The Royal Welch Fusiliers
In 2004, as part of the British Government's defence review, it was announced that the Scottish Division would lose an infantry battalion. This was achieved through the amalgamation of the King's Own Scottish Borderers with the Royal Scots to form the Royal Scots Borderers on August 1, 2006. This single battalion became the 1st Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland.
Scotch-Irish (the historically common term in North America) or Scots-Irish refers to inhabitants of the United States and, by some, of Canada who are of Ulster Scottish descent. The term may be qualified with American (or Canadian) as in "Scotch-Irish American" or "American of Scots-Irish ancestry". Today, people in the British Isles of a similar ethnicity or ancestry usually call themselves "Ulster Scots", with the term "Scotch-Irish" seen as terminology only used in North America.
The term "Scotch-Irish" is an Americanism, almost unknown in Britain and Ireland, and refers to Irish Protestant immigrants from Ulster to America during the 1700s. An estimated 200,000 or more Scotch-Irish migrated to America in the 18th century. The majority of these immigrants were descended from Scottish and English families who had been transplanted to Ireland during the Plantation of Ulster in the 1600s.
Ireland
Buoyed by his military successes, Bruce's forces also invaded Ireland in 1315, purportedly to free the country from English rule (having received a reply to offers of assistance from Domnal O'Neil, king of Tyrone), and to open a second front in the continuing wars with England. The Irish even crowned Edward Bruce as High King of Ireland in 1316. Robert later went there with another army to assist his brother.
To go with the invasion, Bruce popularised an ideological vision of a "Pan-Gaelic Greater Scotia" with his lineage ruling over both Ireland and Scotland. This propaganda campaign was aided by two factors. The first was his marriage alliance from 1302 with the de Burgh family of the Earldom of Ulster in Ireland; second, Bruce himself on his mother's side of Carrick, was descended from Gaelic royalty - in Scotland. Thus, lineally and geopolitically, Bruce attempted to support his anticipated notion of a pan-Gaelic alliance between Scottish-Irish Gaelic populations, under his kingship
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 6:15 PM
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> If a couple gets married in Alabama then move to
> Texas. Are they still legally brother and sister?
With the recent Palin episodes Alaska shouldn't be putting down any other states. If the couple get married in Alaska they are still man & moose.
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Re: What's New in the News
Oct 3, 2009 6:14 PM
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> > Am I the only one who thinks David Letterman is
> an
> > asshole?
>
> Yes, you and Sarah Palin.
>
> &He has been in a relationship with the woman
> > who is now his wife for decades. So, he was
> cheating
> > on her up until the wedding day apparently.
>
> That's quite a leap based on supposition only.
Supposition?
What
> was the nature of their relationship? Was it
> exclusive? Did they both see other people? How is any
> of it your buisness?
He made it everyone's business.
>
> &I hope
> > the women who worked for him, but didn't have
> sex
> > with him will file complaints with EEOC for his
> > creating a hostile work environment.
>
> You seem vindictive by nature, do you hate all men?
I knew someone would take the bait. 
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