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Before we have an outcome, I wanted to see what everyone thought.
Personally, I think the elections today have little if any meaning beyond the states they are in. I don't think it shows a national mood, I don't think it is a reflection of the president, and I don't think its going to matter in a year when congress is up for grabs again.
What do you think?
Do the results show any real indication of the overall national political trends?
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 1:05 PM
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> Democrat ones? It's Democratic.
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> Tell us again how you are an unbiased Independent.
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Yes, so I screw up and don't put the ic and that means that I am a right winger. LOL! If a commentator is an Independant, he/she isn't an Independentic commentator. So us Independents are not used to putting the "ic" at the end as much as Repiblicans.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM
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> > Is there a way to bronze this post! LOL!
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> > Only Prettywitty can make Frank speechless.
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> Heh, its happened once before.
> It already was in the week leading up to the wins
> last night. Its what inspired the post in the first
> place.
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> I get that they are trying to grab on to anything to
> show they are still relevant, 2 governors that have
> very little to do with national politics ain't it.
Again, I completely agree!
We can't get too carried away with this agreeing thing, Frank. We have way too much fun arguing (at least I do.)
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM
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> Did you know that in NJ and Virginia, the last 12
> governors to win election have all been from the
> party that is currently not in control of the White
> House? Do you imagine that in each of these
> occasions, the economy was the driving factor? OR,
> is there no cause and effect and you are simply
> belching out the current media meme? The loss of
> the governorships in VA and NJ was predictable and it
> was not a referendum on the economy, though people
> are concerned, or Obama to those that pay attention
> to history.
So we are going ignore exit poll data for a what could be a fluke? Before Obama, the party of the presidency hasn't changed all that much. 8 years of Republican, preceeded by 8 years of Democrat, preceeded by 12 years of Repblican, preceded by 4 years of Democrat, preceded by eight years of Republican, preceeded by 8 years of Democrats, and so on. Since the governor's races are every 4 years, much of the voting is could be based on flukes. I look at Christie Todd Whitman and she was elected during the big midterm loss of 1994 for the Democrats and stayed on through 2001 where most incumbents stayed on with their roll because of the rising economy (her last election was 1997 at the top of the dotcom boom).
Seriously, do voters really go into the polling booths saying that we in this state are supposed to vote for the candidate of the opposite party of the President.
You can keep your head in the sand, but seems pretty clear that the economy played a big role in the voting this year. We are talking 8 or 9 of every voter polled saying that the direction of the economy played a big roll in their vote. We aren't talking 5 or 6 out of 10. That is significant polling data. Even Democrat political commentors like George Stephanopolis are saying the same thing I am saying.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM
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> It all depends on who you listen to. Republican
> political commentators will say it means a lot and is
> a statement on Obama's popularity and Democrat ones
> won't. If the Dems won in NJ and VA, the Democrat
> commentators would say it is a statement of Obama's
> popularity and the Republicans would say it doesn't
> mean anything.
Democrat ones? It's Democratic.
Tell us again how you are an unbiased Independent.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 12:09 PM
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> Never mind.
again?
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM
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> "It's the economy, stupid."
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> It was true when James Carville coined it in 1992 and
> we saw it yesterday in action. In both the NJ and VA
> exit polls, the overwhelming majority of the voters
> said that they are worried about the direction the
> economy is going in this country. In VA it was 85%
> and in NJ it was 89%. Again, that is startling and
> frightening news for any politician up for
> re-election in 2010. And yes, it is significant.
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Did you know that in NJ and Virginia, the last 12 governors to win election have all been from the party that is currently not in control of the White House? Do you imagine that in each of these occasions, the economy was the driving factor? OR, is there no cause and effect and you are simply belching out the current media meme? The loss of the governorships in VA and NJ was predictable and it was not a referendum on the economy, though people are concerned, or Obama to those that pay attention to history.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM
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"It's the economy, stupid."
It was true when James Carville coined it in 1992 and we saw it yesterday in action. In both the NJ and VA exit polls, the overwhelming majority of the voters said that they are worried about the direction the economy is going in this country. In VA it was 85% and in NJ it was 89%. Again, that is startling and frightening news for any politician up for re-election in 2010. And yes, it is significant.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 11:52 AM
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> > Is there a way to bronze this post! LOL!
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> > Only Prettywitty can make Frank speechless.
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> Heh, its happened once before.
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> > I have to say I to agree with Last on this. It
> may or
> > may not be of any real consequence and only time
> will
> > tell, but certainly it will be used for
> everything
> > it's worth to the Republicans. We shall see I
> guess.
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> It already was in the week leading up to the wins
> last night. Its what inspired the post in the first
> place.
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> I get that they are trying to grab on to anything to
> show they are still relevant, 2 governors that have
> very little to do with national politics ain't it.
there was a small spate of gop govs resigning a while back that had me wondering if there isnt some plan down the road. could a block of govs in one area of the country apply certain of state laws in extremis which affected the entire country? interstate commerce, toll roads at all borders, mobilizing the national guard,,,etc...???. i could be paranoid more by experience than any innate fear... that said...ONWARD
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 11:40 AM
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Never mind.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 11:40 AM
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Edited by ronnie at 11/04/2009 8:41 AM PST
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 11:39 AM
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He beautiful.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 8:27 AM
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> Is there a way to bronze this post! LOL!
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> Only Prettywitty can make Frank speechless.
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Heh, its happened once before.
> I have to say I to agree with Last on this. It may or
> may not be of any real consequence and only time will
> tell, but certainly it will be used for everything
> it's worth to the Republicans. We shall see I guess.
It already was in the week leading up to the wins last night. Its what inspired the post in the first place.
I get that they are trying to grab on to anything to show they are still relevant, 2 governors that have very little to do with national politics ain't it.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 8:00 AM
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new jersey state assemblyman ronald zellman ,after a conversation with anthony and carmela soprano , switched his endorsement from john corzine to the other fella'.
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Re: Do the 11/04/2009 election results mean anything
Nov 4, 2009 7:50 AM
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> I listened to some of the political commentators
> today on TV and they all seem to think these midterm
> elections are not a reliable indication of big trends.
It all depends on who you listen to. Republican political commentators will say it means a lot and is a statement on Obama's popularity and Democrat ones won't. If the Dems won in NJ and VA, the Democrat commentators would say it is a statement of Obama's popularity and the Republicans would say it doesn't mean anything.
Political commentating can be as partisan as the politics they cover.
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