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Why does Bill Maher keep insisting on attacking people like myself who simply have questions about 9/11 and don't believe the government's story?
What's really upsetting is that someone in his position, someone with a weekly talk show, uses that show to call-out 9-11 Truthers, but yet refuses to have anyone on his show to debate the issue.
If Bill (or anyone else for that matter), wants to believe the government's story, fine. Everyone is entitled their opinion. But...
NEW RULE: Stop using your show to pick these fights while refusing to engage in a real debate. (That's what Rush Limbaugh does.) Otherwise you're the one who looks like a raging lunatic and you're the one losing credibility.
Instead, dedicate one of your shows to a debate. Have on any of the numerous professors, scientists, politicians, documentarians, authors, ex-military personnel, or even celebrities who have expressed doubt in the governments account of 9/11. Some suggestions: David Ray Griffin, Professor Steven Jones (physics), Robert Baer (ex-CIA), Lt. Col. Bob Bowman, Alex Jones, and if he's sober, Charlie Sheen. Take your pick Bill, and there are many more.
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Aug 28, 2008 2:55 PM
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You're right SS.
I knew when I used the word "compelling" I was going to take some fire. 
I guess what I mean is that out of all the nonsense and gibberish they advance, THAT little part at least holds some water. Not much, but some.
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Aug 28, 2008 1:11 PM
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The government PURPOSELY
> compartmentalized itself in order to perform
> clandestine operations with minimal exposure or
> liability.
Very good point. Compartmentalization is used in almost every industry. All one needs to do is call their insurance company, ask a simple question and feel the frustration when transferred multiple times.
I can't imagine any administrative office not having specialized departments and taking advantage of that fact.
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Aug 28, 2008 12:41 PM
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> The most compelling argument presented by Dawg and
> the true believers is that the government is too
> incompetent to have pulled off the attacks at WTC.
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> It is certainly a good point, but there is just too
> much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.
I disagree. I don't think that argument is compelling at all, as a matter of fact, it's the same blanket denial reused over and over and over.
The "government" is too dumb argument can only be presented one way... in this large, block as if 30,000 employees were ALL involved and knew what was going to happen. Once you accept this elementary, non compartmentalized excuse then, yeah...hard to believe.
The problem with that approach is that "government" doesn't operate like a crowd performing "the wave" at a baseball or football stadium. The government PURPOSELY compartmentalized itself in order to perform clandestine operations with minimal exposure or liability. The left hand doesn't need to know what the right hand is doing. Furthermore, the operatives within the structure understand that confusion is the greatest weapon against detection.
95% percent of the "government" employees who reacted or where involved in any capacity on that day, did their job as instructed...which is why false flag operations are performed successfully. A drill can become a realtime emergency at the drop of a hat.
There's nothing I find compelling about REFUSING to investigate an attack and finally buckling to the pressure of the FAMILIES and FIRST RESPONDERS who you claim are HEROES.
This discussion should have progressed to TREASON...3 years ago.
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Aug 28, 2008 11:15 AM
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> The most compelling argument presented by Dawg and
> the true believers is that the government is too
> incompetent to have pulled off the attacks at WTC.
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> It is certainly a good point, but there is just too
> much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.
There is no evidence, you people have slipped a cog.
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Aug 28, 2008 10:24 AM
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> The most compelling argument presented by Dawg and
> the true believers is that the government is too
> incompetent to have pulled off the attacks at WTC.
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> It is certainly a good point, but there is just too
> much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.
That would be funny if it weren't so pathetically true.
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Aug 27, 2008 9:27 PM
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The most compelling argument presented by Dawg and the true believers is that the government is too incompetent to have pulled off the attacks at WTC.
It is certainly a good point, but there is just too much circumstantial evidence to the contrary.
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Aug 27, 2008 5:40 PM
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maybe their dogs ate them!!!
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oh man....the white house loses five thousand or so emails and the FBI loses plane black boxes and videos and the CIA accidently destroys video tapes of 'interrogating' our POWs and all of Bush's men have amnesia when testifying before congress...
hmmm...
*rme*
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The FBI can't find records? What a surprise.
They keep records on all sorts of things, EXCEPT for the events of 11 September that are better swept "under the rug."
But hey, our government just wouldn't do something like that, my guardian angel told me so.
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> Remember the stories of the FBI confiscating the
> Citgo gas station, etc videos after the Pentagon
> crash? An intrepid researcher filed a Freedom of
> Information Act request for any records the FBI had
> on 9.11 flights, their data recorders, or plane
> wreckage. In another installment of the "so fucked up
> you can't help but laugh or cry" series - the FBI
> reported back that "despite an extensive and detailed
> search, [they] were unable to locate" a single
> record.
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> FBI Records
> Chief Describes Unsuccessful Search
I'm beginning to think something fishy is going on........
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Remember the stories of the FBI confiscating the Citgo gas station, etc videos after the Pentagon crash? An intrepid researcher filed a Freedom of Information Act request for any records the FBI had on 9.11 flights, their data recorders, or plane wreckage. In another installment of the "so fucked up you can't help but laugh or cry" series - the FBI reported back that "despite an extensive and detailed search, [they] were unable to locate" a single record.
FBI Records Chief Describes Unsuccessful Search
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Since the end of World War Two, fanatic right-wing ideologues with corporate connections have gradually gained complete control of the US military, the US intelligence agencies, the US government, and the USA's 'Mainstream Media'. Fascism in the USA is not merely a current threat posed by the Republican Administration of George W. Bush; it is an already-accomplished situation that has been many decades in the making. Fascism in the USA is actually a 'done deal'.
Jet,
Gulp. As I keep researching the relationship between the GOP and CIA I'm starting to believe that part of it...sighhh
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Wow, even the Pakistani press is light years ahead of the american corporate media.
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Pakistan Daily article:
Indict All of The George W Bush US Government Officials
Impeachment Not Enough for September 11 World Trade Center Attacks
Tuesday, 26 August 2008
Indict all of the US government officials and their allies who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks
A preponderance of evidence shows that the highest officials of the Bush Administration, in collusion with many other officials from the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, FEMA, NSA, NORAD, New York City officials, air-traffic contollers, airline executives, controlled demolitions experts, computer graphics technicians, media executives, and others together planned and committed the horrible attacks of 9/11/2001 against the Pentagon and the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 9/11 attacks were immediately blamed on some bogus 'Arab highjackers', a half dozen of whom were later confirmed to be still alive, and therefore innocent, after the 9/11 attacks.
The false-flag 9/11 attacks provided the excuse for the US government's 'War on Terrorism', the chief purpose of which is for the USA to gain control of the lucrative oil fields of the Middle East. A secondary purpose is to increase the taxation of US citizens for Defense spending in support of the USA's enormous Military/Industrial Complex, and a tertiary purpose is to establish justification of the enactment of Police State measures within the USA under the vast, far-reaching, and politically ambiguous umbrella of 'Homeland Security'. When the rights of freedom of speech and assembly are curtailed for the citizens of the USA, the US government will be able to pursue its agenda of world domination without the domestic distraction of dissident opinions, protests, and demonstrations.
The Pentagon, CIA, FBI, and other agencies and officials of the US government have perpetrated many crimes, assassinations, and false-flag bombings and attacks against US citizens and US interests during the past fifty years, including, but by no means limited to, the State political assassinations of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy, and Martin Luther King; the 1988 Berlin Disco bombing; the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing; and the anthrax letter attacks of October 2001. The US government and its allies also committed the Bali bombings of 2002 and 2005; the Madrid train bombings of 2004; the London 7/7/2005 bombings; and the recent spate of bombings in Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Bangalore, and at the Indian Embassy in Kabul during the summer of 2008.
Since the end of World War Two, fanatic right-wing ideologues with corporate connections have gradually gained complete control of the US military, the US intelligence agencies, the US government, and the USA's 'Mainstream Media'. Fascism in the USA is not merely a current threat posed by the Republican Administration of George W. Bush; it is an already-accomplished situation that has been many decades in the making. Fascism in the USA is actually a 'done deal'.
The USA's long descent into fascism cannot be halted or stopped merely by electing a member of the Democrat Party to the Presidency, or by electing a Democrat majority to Congress. The infiltration and control of the US government by right-wing extremists is far too advanced and complete -- they manipulate our elected officials like puppets on a string, and a great many of our elected officials are themselves part of the fascist establishment. The right-wing takeover of the US government has been a gradual and very successful fascist coup that will not be reversed without a very serious and deadly struggle. Given the history of extreme and indiscriminate violence shown by the ruling junta of the USA, it appears quite obvious to me that restoring democracy to the USA would inevitably require a violent armed Revolution in which the American people are opposed against the forces of the US government and the US military.
As a US citizen and as a human being, I personally consider the killing of innocent people in foreign countries by the CIA, the US military, and their puppets in support of the economic interests of multinational US-based corporations to be totally immoral and intolerable, and I consider it my solemn duty to oppose US aggression and Imperialism in any way that I can. US government and Mass Media propaganda promote a climate in which the actions and activities of US troops abroad are regarded as beyond reproach, but there is nothing noble or 'heroic' about unprovoked military aggression and genocide against vulnerable and innocent foreign populations.
George W. Bush, George H. Bush, Jeb, Neil, and Marvin Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condaleezza Rice, Karl Rove, Wolfowitz, Perle, Powell, Armitage, Ashcroft, Abrams, Adelman, Feith, Bolton, Libby, Kissinger, Mueller, Tenet, Goss, Giuliani, Hayden, Chertoff, Baker, and many hundreds of other individuals working for the White House, CIA, FBI, FEMA, the Pentagon, NSA, NORAD, the airline industry, and the US news media together planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. All of the above-named and their accomplices need to be tried for Treason and Mass Murder, with the death penalty as the just and very necessary reward for their conviction of those crimes.
We need a Nuremberg-style trial for Treason and Mass Murder for all of the members of the US government, the US military, the US intelligence agencies, and their civilian accomplices in the airline industry and the news media who participated in the murderous crimes of 9/11. The death penalty should be applied to all of the principals and their accomplices, even if that means executing several hundred or even several thousand people, because crimes of this magnitude against the American people and the US Republic cannot go unpunished, and the punishment must be extreme to send a message that the American people will not tolerate such Treason -- not now or in the future. If allowed to remain unpunished and at liberty, these individuals represent a grave threat to the safety and security of all Americans. If convicted of the heinous crimes of 9/11, the death penalty is the only way to ensure that they or their allies will not somehow manage to attack America and Americans again. The executions should be performed in public and be internationally televized for the entire world to witness.
I do realize that there are some very worthy reasons to oppose capital punishment in many situations. However, it is also quite apparent to me that any show of clemency that might be given to the US government perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks leaves open the possibility that they and their sympathizers could revive their subversion of American democracy and their violence toward peace-loving Americans. That is why I advocate a policy of capital punishment without any consideration of mercy, plea-bargaining, or probation for the US government perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks and their allies.
No one in or out of the US government should be exempt from prosecution and capital punishment for the Treasonous attacks of 9/11. The planners and participants in the 9/11 attacks within the US government and their accomplices must not be allowed to protect themselves behind the specious excuse of "National Security." The true security and survival of our Republic depends entirely on this.
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I agree that it is highly likely the 767 with the external anomalies is one of those provided by Zakheim's company to USAF. Just guessing, but I doubt the FTS would require any external changes to the aircraft.
As for me, if half the passengers listed were assets of the MIC, why would those assets be loaded and killed? Doesn't make sense to put live people on a drone.
I believe that there were no pax onboard either airplane at WTC.
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