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Hello All,
During this last season Bill Maher briefly covered the validity of Abstinence Education. The panel was Left-sided, so Bill brought on one of his Real Time Reporters to argue the case for Abstinence (younger black female, I've forgotten her name).
A key point to her arguement was (paraphrasing), that "teaching kids about contraception meant teachers would be teaching Morals (a task for parents)".
No one called her on that statement, and the discussion trailed down familiar paths until time demanded they move on.
I feel that her position (her perception) is shared by far too many people and is 90% of the problem, and it should be revisited.
Teaching contraception is science. Biology, anatomy, reproduction, etc. Teaching what prevents reproduction is entirely part of teaching what causes reproduction.
Teaching Abstinence is about influencing decision-making. Reinforcing desired behavior, and discouraging undesirable behavior. That's teaching MORALITY folks.
So, do we want our schools to teach Fact (Science) or Morality (behavior endorsed and prescribed by a slice of the population and in no way based on facts or results)?
Thank you for your consideration.
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Jul 11, 2008 3:31 PM
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> I think it happened that way for a lot of women in
> the past. It became a chore that they dreaded
> because they didn't know any better. You didn't do
> it before marriage, and you most certainly didn't
> talk about it, ever, ever, ever.
>
> I can't imagine that many men would want to return to
> that standard either.
Men can easily buy it from else where.
Women should stay loyal to their men only.
You know the old saying between studs and sluts.
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Jul 11, 2008 10:32 AM
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> > > I agree! I'm a firm believer in no
> marriage
> > before
> > > sex.
> >
> > I completely agree, can you imagine being with
> > someone who does nothing for you forever?
> >
> > --
> > I'm lucky, he's lucky, we're all lucky!
>
> No I cannot imagine that. How horrible would that
> be? You might never even realize that sex could be
> great.
>
> I think it happened that way for a lot of women in
> the past. It became a chore that they dreaded
> because they didn't know any better. You didn't do
> it before marriage, and you most certainly didn't
> talk about it, ever, ever, ever.
>
> I can't imagine that many men would want to return to
> that standard either.
OMG am I glad I don't live in those days!
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I'm lucky, he's lucky, we're all lucky!
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Jul 11, 2008 10:27 AM
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It's all about the boys and their Packed Package...
Sperm can live for 10 days.
You could have sex on a Monday,
And the lady gets pregnant on the following Wednesday.
Wow, that's some package, boys.
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Jul 11, 2008 10:23 AM
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> > I agree! I'm a firm believer in no marriage
> before
> > sex.
>
> I completely agree, can you imagine being with
> someone who does nothing for you forever?
>
> --
> I'm lucky, he's lucky, we're all lucky!
No I cannot imagine that. How horrible would that be? You might never even realize that sex could be great.
I think it happened that way for a lot of women in the past. It became a chore that they dreaded because they didn't know any better. You didn't do it before marriage, and you most certainly didn't talk about it, ever, ever, ever.
I can't imagine that many men would want to return to that standard either.
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Jul 11, 2008 10:07 AM
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> I agree! I'm a firm believer in no marriage before
> sex.
I completely agree, can you imagine being with someone who does nothing for you forever?
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Jul 11, 2008 10:01 AM
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> > Gross, man.. I was thinking additional
> likelihood of
> > blowjobs & anal, and suddenly you are talking
> about
> > my daughter
> >
> > *cringes*
> >
> > Funny, though..
> >
> > I could argue that I am more conservative than
> > liberal, but the stereotypes which once existed
> have
> > become so gray I think it might be difficult for
> any
> > of us to put our fingers on what
> characteristics
> > distinguish each party..
This is true for a lot of people. My favorite republican is pretty much a closet liberal. Although I think he'd disagree with that characterization.
> >
> > When it comes to my daughter.. if you feel like
> it,
> > read my longer post a page or 2 back. I hope
> she
> > lives with a guy before marrying or getting
> engaged,
> > has protective sex, and knows to the highest
> degree
> > possible what to expect from sex &
> relationships
> > prior to engaging in them.
>
> thats what we all hope for!
>
> --
> I'm lucky, he's lucky, we're all lucky!
I agree! I'm a firm believer in no marriage before sex.
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Jul 10, 2008 10:42 PM
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> Gross, man.. I was thinking additional likelihood of
> blowjobs & anal, and suddenly you are talking about
> my daughter
>
> *cringes*
>
> Funny, though..
>
> I could argue that I am more conservative than
> liberal, but the stereotypes which once existed have
> become so gray I think it might be difficult for any
> of us to put our fingers on what characteristics
> distinguish each party..
>
> When it comes to my daughter.. if you feel like it,
> read my longer post a page or 2 back. I hope she
> lives with a guy before marrying or getting engaged,
> has protective sex, and knows to the highest degree
> possible what to expect from sex & relationships
> prior to engaging in them.
thats what we all hope for!
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Jul 10, 2008 10:39 PM
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> Gross, man.. I was thinking additional likelihood of
> blowjobs & anal, and suddenly you are talking about
> my daughter
>
> *cringes*
Sorry. I didn't mean to go there.
> Funny, though..
No man, again, sorry about that.
> I could argue that I am more conservative than
> liberal, but the stereotypes which once existed have
> become so gray I think it might be difficult for any
> of us to put our fingers on what characteristics
> distinguish each party..
>
> When it comes to my daughter.. if you feel like it,
> read my longer post a page or 2 back. I hope she
> lives with a guy before marrying or getting engaged,
> has protective sex, and knows to the highest degree
> possible what to expect from sex & relationships
> prior to engaging in them.
I read it. You're a good father.
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Jul 10, 2008 10:34 PM
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> Yes, if I've a daughter, I'd want her to be a nice
> conservative princess, just like Ann Coulter.
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for many reasons.
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Jul 10, 2008 10:25 PM
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Gross, man.. I was thinking additional likelihood of blowjobs & anal, and suddenly you are talking about my daughter
*cringes*
Funny, though..
I could argue that I am more conservative than liberal, but the stereotypes which once existed have become so gray I think it might be difficult for any of us to put our fingers on what characteristics distinguish each party..
When it comes to my daughter.. if you feel like it, read my longer post a page or 2 back. I hope she lives with a guy before marrying or getting engaged, has protective sex, and knows to the highest degree possible what to expect from sex & relationships prior to engaging in them.
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Jul 10, 2008 10:20 PM
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Pretty soon we're going to see Mykel start to going to church and do what the nice Republican folks do. j/k
Yes, if I've a daughter, I'd want her to be a nice conservative princess, just like Ann Coulter.
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Jul 10, 2008 9:56 PM
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> Shit, well in that case - ABSTINENCE IT IS! PROMOTE
> PROMOTE PROMOTE!
Mykel,
I see how you've changed after you've a little girl.
Adopting a little conservatism there have we?
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Jul 10, 2008 5:00 PM
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>Next time you post a response like this to me, I am >reporting the post and PMing the Admin with a complaint.
>In other words, stop responding to my posts unless you >can be intelligently conversational and civil in your >attitude toward and about me.
In other words- to call an other poster a
> Lugnut,
is OK,
but to get back in the same fashion a
>Claptrap
is not OK
and should be reported
What else is new?
Creating a thread McLame is OK,
writing B. Hussein Obama ( which is his real name)
is not OK , and should be reported
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Jul 10, 2008 4:39 PM
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> Claptrap,
>
> >It's all well to read what someone says, if that's
> what you actually did, and I doubt it, but to
> purposefully misunderstand and misrepresent it to
> advance your own agenda or cover your own obvious
> missteps, is downright reprehensible.
>
> I would tend to agree. Especially, when it's as easy
> as pasting what you originally wrote:
>
> >>Dunno about you, but whenever I hear the right
> leaning pissing and moaning about sexual morality and
> all its manifestations and ramifications, the thought
> invariably occurs that what we're really hearing is
> "code" expressing their concern over the declining
> birth rate of white babies and the rising population
> of Black ones.
>
> The point of your post was to deride conservatives
> for their inherent racism. I don't think it's
> unreasonable to call you on your obvious baiting. I
> think it's reprehensible. I think that you've
> violated your own standard which you prattle on about
> later in your post:
>
> >this is a community of presumed adults who are
> reasonably able to expect a level of education that
> permits a rational reading of what's being said by
> and among us.
>
> I found your comment neither educated or rational. I
> found it consumed with self guilt and racism.
These are not rational readings of my posts nor an educated attempt at understanding and interpreting them.
Adding to what I've said to you before in this thread, they represent the frothings of an abusive mentality bent on baiting another poster into an argument.
Next time you post a response like this to me, I am reporting the post and PMing the Admin with a complaint.
In other words, stop responding to my posts unless you can be intelligently conversational and civil in your attitude toward and about me.
Otherwise, and for the last time, interaction between us is over.
Cleo
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"I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams." From "He Wishes for the Cloths of Heaven", W.B. Yeats
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Jul 10, 2008 2:02 PM
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Claptrap,
>It's all well to read what someone says, if that's what you actually did, and I doubt it, but to purposefully misunderstand and misrepresent it to advance your own agenda or cover your own obvious missteps, is downright reprehensible.
I would tend to agree. Especially, when it's as easy as pasting what you originally wrote:
>>Dunno about you, but whenever I hear the right leaning pissing and moaning about sexual morality and all its manifestations and ramifications, the thought invariably occurs that what we're really hearing is "code" expressing their concern over the declining birth rate of white babies and the rising population of Black ones.
The point of your post was to deride conservatives for their inherent racism. I don't think it's unreasonable to call you on your obvious baiting. I think it's reprehensible. I think that you've violated your own standard which you prattle on about later in your post:
>this is a community of presumed adults who are reasonably able to expect a level of education that permits a rational reading of what's being said by and among us.
I found your comment neither educated or rational. I found it consumed with self guilt and racism.
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