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I think he is so against relegion because he is looking for an answer for something traumatic that happen in his life. He has spent his life trying to debunk God and he will never succeed. God is real and every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 7, 2008 3:29 AM
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lennon4president wrote:
> > > Stop worrying about
> > > saving people, it really is a waste of
> energy.
4bee wrote: wrote:
> > Sure, just I am curious what would be the best
> idea
> > to spend energy on?;( in your opinion) so it
> > woulnd't be a waste, which would not make you
> sorry
> > for the waste
lenon4president wrote:
> You kind of did ask what would be my best idea to
> spend energy on and I believe thinking for yourself
> is a viable option.
So, your answer would be, that the best way to spend energy is - THINKING- with additional- for yourself.
I must addmit, I never knew any other kind of thinking, but again, your response made me quite curios, how did you process that thought, that ones religious convictions or world view differing from yours, would qualify as not ''thinking for yourself" ?
Because there are/were likewise thinkers? Because there were/are likewise believers?
Because there have been many books written on the subject- religion, history, philosophy, poetry etc. ?
Because there has been most beautiful art created and dedicated to the subject? Music written?
Yes, there is all of that- and all of that has a name- it's called- culture.
Are you suggesting that one must exclude onesself from that achievement of humanity in order to ''waste'' or spend ones energy on creating something completely new in one lifetime?
Would you have designed a new car without any prior knowledge of a car, or even an idea of a need for such?
Invent a wheel, so to speak?
Wouldn't it be a waste of energy? Or would it be ''thinking for yourself'' ?
> But for the record it wasn't Bill
> who made me look at both of the sides rationally,
I hope not, besides- it would be impossible, how could he? Bill has only one side- he loathes the idea of God and all the people who support that idea.
He can only strenghten those, or make them feel jolly well, who already are there with him, on the same bench, doing the same time .
> was mostly John Lennon and the Beatles.
See, it's not like you did your ''thinking for yourself''- John Lennon and the Beatles did it for you.
They were your revelation, they gave you another side- that there was no God, the Beatles and Lennon were the new god, proffesing to the new truth- let's just love each other and all will be so good.
Let's lay naked with your wife in front of millions, let's make love with your wife so everyone on this planet can observe- there are no sacred things of love, there is no Holy Sacrament in that- between a man and a woman, it is a coupling between human species.
The animals do it in front of others and there is no shame or secrets in that, and so should humans do, since they are only animals after all.
And it gives you freedom, doesn't it?
And many other freedoms come along with it, till the time you are completely liberated- a new human being created by the new gods-the Beatles- the uber-human.
It was ones called- the idol worshiping,
there was once a god Dionysus, with followers in millions.
He has not died.
> But I don't mind your tongue in cheek reply to my
> answer I am only a child, I am only 20 years old. It
> seems to me if I look at the world rationally at 20
> then it shouldn't be too hard for others to try.
Oh, dear, we all were 20 once. Enjoy it, will never come back.
> The Future is a great song and I can say we agree on
> at least one issue Leonard Cohen is indeed a prophet.
> Right up there with Dylan and Jesus.
No! In hundred years, nobody will remember, who Leonard or Dylan were.
You and I will be gone too.
> Do what you want to do
> And go where you're going to
> Think for yourself
> 'Cause I won't be there with you- Beatles
do we need him? For thinking ? For worshiping?
I don't!
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 7, 2008 2:05 AM
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magialuna wrote:
> > I think he is so against relegion because he is
> > looking for an answer for something traumatic
> that
> > happen in his life. He has spent his life
> trying to
> > debunk God and he will never succeed. God is
> real
> > and every knee shall bow and confess Jesus
> Christ is
> > Lord.
>
> Ask your Lord to tutor you in English. (Start with
> spelling, grammar, and punctuation.)
magi- I thought you were more tolerant on things of that nature - you treated Matoia with great tolerance, even if he were the worst offender of the English grammar in the whole Cyberspace.
Was that the subject matter, brought up by the poster, that made you to react as if you were his/her elected teacher?
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 10:21 PM
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> I think he is so against relegion because he is
> looking for an answer for something traumatic that
> happen in his life. He has spent his life trying to
> debunk God and he will never succeed. God is real
> and every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is
> Lord.
I do believe this entire thread meets the definition of "trolling"
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 10:12 PM
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> I think he is so against relegion because he is
> looking for an answer for something traumatic that
> happen in his life. He has spent his life trying to
> debunk God and he will never succeed. God is real
> and every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is
> Lord.
Ask your Lord to tutor you in English. (Start with spelling, grammar, and punctuation.)
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 9:35 PM
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The differences between religious sects is like the differences between political party--there ain't none. Or what they talk about is illusory. Superstition, legend and myth is what binds them all.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 7:40 PM
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> Bill was rasied as a catholic. What is missing in
> catholicism for them to have the rates of desertion
> they have? Oh well, in the end times the Catholic
> church will be destroyed anyway.
I don't think it's what they're missing, except for the whole, "ya can't have sex if ya wanna work for us cuz yer married to God and He doesn't put out" thing. I think the extra things like having your priest blow you or the priest making you blow him when you're a kid is a bit of a turn-off, not to mention the finger abuse of the nuns because they think fingers are dirty because that's the only thing they have sex with, but I may be biased.
I thought the Catholic Church was the whore spoken of in The Revelations
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 7:29 PM
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Bill was rasied as a catholic. What is missing in catholicism for them to have the rates of desertion they have? Oh well, in the end times the Catholic church will be destroyed anyway.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:37 PM
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what a stupid assertion to make. Atheists Don't struggle about religion.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:33 PM
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> No one has to try and disprove something that hasn't
> been proven dstrother, you idiot. So get your
> ego filled head out of your ass and try posting again
> with something a little less stupid please.
I agreed with the rest of what you said, but if a person is a Hard Atheist, that is, one who says there is no God, their position is just as subjective as the Theist since they have no proof either, and are making claims with no evidence.
If they said they don't believe in God, that would be objective, there's no proof of God so I don't believe in one. That wouldn't be an Atheist though, that would be an Agnostic, you idiot. So get your ego filled head out of your ass and try posting again with something objective that proves there is no God.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:25 PM
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> 1. The DESTRUCTION of Lebanon
> 2.The continued DESTRUCTION of the West Bank & Gaza
> .
> 3. Ongoing DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 4.Ongoing DESTRUCTION of Afghanistan.
> 5.Planning the DESTRUCTION of IRAN ?????
You forgot the millions killed by Atheist communists.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:24 PM
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> I'm not an athiest. I believe there is a God, a
> higher power, a higher intelligence, a creator
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> and I think EVERYONE goes to "heaven" -- that is,
> that our spirits live on in a state of peace. There
> is no hell. How could there be, when, for so many
> millions, life on earth is hell on earth, with so
> much suffering and pain and illness and misery in the
> world?
>
> I just no longer believe in the God as described in
> the Old or New Testaments, even though I was raised
> with those beliefs
Are you supposed to be deep?
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:22 PM
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> Stop worrying about
> saving people, it really is a waste of energy.
But why do you care?
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:20 PM
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> More than that, I think, he is trying to point out
> religion should have no place in politics. You never
> hear politicians in Europe talking about God or their
> faith -- they'd be laughed at if they did
So what? People in Europe are European and Europeans are a bunch of elitist shit heads. They all compete with France.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:19 PM
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> Well dstrother, yet another apparently religious
> person who lies and makes up stuff. He is not trying
> to "debunk" God, he is trying to point out that since
> there is no proof of this supernatural being, it is
> irrational to make up stories and then say people
> should live by these fantasies.
Actually, since both Atheism and Theism are positions of faith, thus subjective, I'm sure there are thousands of reasons for both positions. Besides, anyone that's political and lables themselves as a particular party believes made up stories, then says people should live a certain way.
> Grow up and you don't need to invent a father for you.
Perhaps a little more tolerance on both sides would make things more pleasant.
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Re: The atheist is struggling psychologically about relegion
Mar 6, 2008 6:15 PM
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> ...ass rape by a priest?
I DO know quite a few Atheists that were raised Catholic. Hmmmm.
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