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Now that we have 60 dem seats in the Senate with the arrival of Senator Franken, will we still face obstructionism from conservative democrats?
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Jul 6, 2009 12:24 AM
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> A majority of the country still lean towards the
> center. That means that Blue Dogs' views are
> probably closer to the American people than a lot of
> the Dems in Congress.
Of course, the downside of this is that when it comes to translating into votes, there is still no majority in Congress to allow it to do anything. So what it looks like is that for the next 16 or so years, nothing meaningful will pass a vote.
Business has us right where they want us: You can still lose your home and everything you've worked for if you have the misfortune of serious illness, and don't win a reversal of your insurer's decision to cancel your policy.
You, as an individual will still be paying up to 35% of your income to keep the country running while the MNCs and other Uber-Big Businesses squeak by with 2.5% or lower liabilities.
No curbs on institutional insider trading, no requirement that insurers actually have financial backing for the instruments they sell, so they'll still be able to fall back on the taxpayers if they over-extend themselves.
The list goes on.
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Jul 6, 2009 12:17 AM
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Rob,
I'm 51. Center doesn't seem as centered as it used to, to me.
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Jul 5, 2009 10:18 PM
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> Americans responded with overwhelming excitement and
> optimism to Obama and his agenda. If blue dogs piss
> on that agenda we were and are so exited about,
> oopsie daisy, they might fall right out of the senate
> next election.
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> At least I hope as the Obama first term years roll on
> we'll not only have a solid majority in the senate
> but within that majority worthy representatives. Some
> might be culled from the pack each election until the
> entire Senate slides comfortably to the left.
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> Hope. 
Most of the Blue Dogs reflect the politics of their Democrats constituits. You look at the states that Blue Dogs come from they are usually states that were strongly Republican 10-20 years ago. The politics still run moderate to conservative in those states. I think they are pretty safe. The reason the Blue Dogs oppose the Climate bill is because their constituits feel they will lose jobs if the bill passes.
A majority of the country still lean towards the center. That means that Blue Dogs' views are probably closer to the American people than a lot of the Dems in Congress.
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Jul 5, 2009 9:44 PM
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> Americans responded with overwhelming excitement and
> optimism to Obama and his agenda. If blue dogs piss
> on that agenda we were and are so exited about,
> oopsie daisy, they might fall right out of the senate
> next election.
The dems wouldn't have the majority without them, rainy. The people that put them their wanted them in, and could very well vote in a republican before a liberal democrat.
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> At least I hope as the Obama first term years roll on
> we'll not only have a solid majority in the senate
> but within that majority worthy representatives.
Because you disagree with them does not make them unworthy. Their constituents decide, not the rest of us.
Some
> might be culled from the pack each election until the
> entire Senate slides comfortably to the left.
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> Hope.
Independents will play a larger roll in elections to come. And their pretty moderate for the most part.
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Jul 5, 2009 6:17 PM
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> > I always did like blue dogs, a
> friendly
> > breed.
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> Problem is they turn on their masters, and are
> quickly put down.
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Jul 4, 2009 6:46 PM
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Americans responded with overwhelming excitement and optimism to Obama and his agenda. If blue dogs piss on that agenda we were and are so exited about, oopsie daisy, they might fall right out of the senate next election.
At least I hope as the Obama first term years roll on we'll not only have a solid majority in the senate but within that majority worthy representatives. Some might be culled from the pack each election until the entire Senate slides comfortably to the left.
Hope.
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Jul 4, 2009 6:41 PM
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> I always did like blue dogs, a friendly
> breed.
Problem is they turn on their masters, and are quickly put down.
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Jul 4, 2009 6:28 PM
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I always did like blue dogs, a friendly breed.
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Jul 4, 2009 5:37 PM
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Daniel
Thanks for the explanation, that was helpful
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Jul 4, 2009 3:46 PM
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Obama telling people to stop attacking the opposition on healthcare issue is actually the signal to keep the attacks up....
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Jul 4, 2009 3:13 PM
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> Except for Moore because he's local, I've never heard
> of any of those people.
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> Will they cost our country health care?
I had to do a double take when I saw Marion Berry listed there. It took a second read to realize he was a white guy from Arkansas, not the infamous former Mayor of D.C., Marion Barry.
But to answer your question about health care, no, they won't prevent a plan from passing, their work will be finished by the time it comes to a vote, and their work will ensure that any plan that can get enough votes will be stripped of anything that can pose a risk to private insurers or their HMOs or to Big Pharma.
The same handiwork will be evident in their machinations behind any proposed reforms to the financial markets, though I suspect they will stand uniformly behind proposed legislation for Cap-and Trade, something the Wall Street elite are salivating over as the next opportunity to fleece the few small investors they didn't catch on the commodities or housing scams, just ended.
Blue Dog is nothing more than a synonym for business-friendly. Membership is almost always sought by Congressmen who need a leg up against more "Liberal" Democratic challengers, work in a district where no credible Republican challenger exists or is expected, and want the Conservatives, Big Business/Industry and General Purpose Pro-Republican PAC money that would otherwise roll-over until a backable Republican could be found to mount a serious threat to the incumbent Blue Dog.
Blue Dog signals to the usual contributors that they will not sacrifice pro-business ethos (not a contradiction, but pretty close) in favor of their party's platform. Translated into laymen's terms, the inference is that they will not allow legislation that hurts business to become law. Usually this means that they will make sure nothing passes, unless the proposed legislation has something in it that is favored by Big Business, or has been gutted of any business-unfriendly clauses back in committee.
Behind having Goldman Sachs alumni in charge of the Treasury and the Fed, Blue Dog Democrats are the greatest threat to America's economic future.
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Jul 4, 2009 12:55 PM
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Obama Urges Groups to Stop Attacks
Advocates Should Turn Attention to Promoting Legislation, President Says
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 4, 2009
President Obama, strategizing yesterday with congressional leaders about health-care reform, complained that liberal advocacy groups ought to drop their attacks on Democratic lawmakers and devote their energy to promoting passage of comprehensive legislation.
In a pre-holiday call with half a dozen top House and Senate Democrats, Obama expressed his concern over advertisements and online campaigns targeting moderate Democrats, whom they criticize for not being fully devoted to "true" health-care reform.
"We shouldn't be focusing resources on each other," Obama opined in the call, according to three sources who participated in or listened to the conversation. "We ought to be focused on winning this debate."
Specifically, Obama said he is hoping left-leaning organizations that worked on his behalf in the presidential campaign will now rally support for "advancing legislation" that fulfills his goal of expanding coverage, controlling rising costs and modernizing the health system.
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Jul 3, 2009 2:09 PM
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> Now that we have 60 dem seats in the Senate with the
> arrival of Senator Franken, will we still face
> obstructionism from conservative democrats?
I suppose the blue dogs see the other dem members of congress as obstructionists too.
In answer to your question, though, I would say that you will see them play an even bigger role. They now have more responsibility because the republicans don't matter.
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Jul 3, 2009 1:05 PM
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I see that Nye, Glenn (VA-02) is on the list. He is currently a congressman for my district.
Glenn Nye Joins Fiscally-Conservative Blue Dog Coalition
I once participated in a telephone town meeting. It was very cool. The phone rang, a recording explained what it was about, and I participated in a question and answer session with Glenn Nye and members of my community. A few months later the phone rang again for a town meeting, but I was in the bathtub, and did not participate.
Up until now, I have had a favorable opinion of Glenn Nye, but appearances can be deceiving, especially when it comes to politicians.
What questions would you all like me to ask him at the next town meeting? I will post the answers.
At least he is interested in hearing people's opinions. He seems to be an independent thinker. He would be a great guest to have on the show.
After Obama's 8 years are up, I could get excited about a Jim Webb/Glenn Nye ticket.
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Jul 2, 2009 8:10 AM
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Except for Moore because he's local, I've never heard of any of those people.
Will they cost our country health care?
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