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In an interview late Tuesday, Bruce Fein, an Associate Deputy Attorney General during President Ronald Reagan's administration, said the Justice Department should expand a probe into the CIA's interrogation techniques - including the possibility of targeting former Vice President Dick Cheney. Likening the probe to those conducted over murders during the civil rights era - where new investigations began even though few facts had been unearthed - Fein said that the new probe was appropriate. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/02/deputy-reagan-attorney-general-calls-for-expanded-cia-probe/
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 5:39 PM
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obama made the right choice giving the responsibility of investigating previous administration illegalities over to the attorney general..nice to see a president delegate authority to someone besides his v.p.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 4:39 PM
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> Again, wasting the nonsense on me...
Nobody mentioned something stupid like how prosecutions will keep us safe, give us moral grounds and all that.
Nobody mentioned any living president calls for prosecutions.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 4:35 PM
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Again, wasting the nonsense on me...
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 4:28 PM
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bartman,
The liberals helped with the buildup of his profile; Cheney is the ultimate deterrence.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 4:13 PM
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Bartman,
You're absolutely right about Cheney's image, and that's precisely what's helping and keeping Obama from giving leaders around the world blow jobs 24/7
Cheney says, "son, you'll need my help. Go on boy, go play over there."
Obama says, "yes dad."
Info, you know better than to waste that nonsense on me.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 2:59 PM
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Didn't an ex Nixon aide say the same thing a few weeks ago.
Hell, let's net cheney, put him in a cage and ship em off to the Hague.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 1:56 PM
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> I agree with Info.
>
> Having Cheney around saying the things he does makes
> it obvious to the less observant governments, and
> organizations that support of propogate terror that
> while there might be a mealy mouthed "can't we all
> just get along" president, that there is still the
> very real potential that the "can't we get along"
> crowd will be quickly replaced with folks who aren't
> as tollerant of their acts of terror.
>
> Use the Clinton administration for the analysis here.
> The failure to create the perception that the US
> S wouldn't tolerate being attacked again and again
> produced the attacks that befell us, both on and off
> his watch. And while the attack against the US by
> bin laden et al certainly occured during the Bush
> admin, it most certainly was developed as a result of
> the policy of the Clinton era. Let us not forget
> that what we take advantage of as freedoms in this
> country can quickly be used against us. The massive
> failure of the immigration services to maintain
> positive control over foreign nationals in this
> country is a travesty to this day. Something that
> neither Clinton, or Bush, and now, Obama, have done
> anything substantive to redress.
>
> If you were to actively audit NIS, it would fail
> miserably. Not thousands, but MILLIONS of illegal
> residents in this country and not just the kind that
> cross the boarders, I'm refering to expired student
> visas, visitors who never leave, etc. MILLIONS of
> examples of how this kind of bureaucracy fails it's
> primary mission and allows the kind of autrocities
> that we endured on 9/11.
Thank you Doc.
> This argument isn't new. It's the same argument that
> the left used to pummel the Bush administration with
> for 7 years. Government is ineffective... blah,
> blah, blah. And now they are telling us to ignore
> this and allow them to nationalize health care..
Well, we do need some sort of reform on this one.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 1:42 PM
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I agree with Info.
Having Cheney around saying the things he does makes it obvious to the less observant governments, and organizations that support of propogate terror that while there might be a mealy mouthed "can't we all just get along" president, that there is still the very real potential that the "can't we get along" crowd will be quickly replaced with folks who aren't as tollerant of their acts of terror.
Use the Clinton administration for the analysis here. The failure to create the perception that the US wouldn't tolerate being attacked again and again produced the attacks that befell us, both on and off his watch. And while the attack against the US by bin laden et al certainly occured during the Bush admin, it most certainly was developed as a result of the policy of the Clinton era. Let us not forget that what we take advantage of as freedoms in this country can quickly be used against us. The massive failure of the immigration services to maintain positive control over foreign nationals in this country is a travesty to this day. Something that neither Clinton, or Bush, and now, Obama, have done anything substantive to redress.
If you were to actively audit NIS, it would fail miserably. Not thousands, but MILLIONS of illegal residents in this country and not just the kind that cross the boarders, I'm refering to expired student visas, visitors who never leave, etc. MILLIONS of examples of how this kind of bureaucracy fails it's primary mission and allows the kind of autrocities that we endured on 9/11.
This argument isn't new. It's the same argument that the left used to pummel the Bush administration with for 7 years. Government is ineffective... blah, blah, blah. And now they are telling us to ignore this and allow them to nationalize health care..
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 1:07 PM
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> We think (hope). The reason it's a logically
> challenged statement is that it's true up until it
> isn't anymore. You can't prove something by saying
> this or that hasn't happened. I can say if it doesn't
> rain for the next week, it means I control the
> weather but it doesn't make it so. And back tho the
> original point if he's so damn vigilant, why di it
> happen in the first place. I'd take him a little more
> seriously if his argument stated that he'd already
> failed once at preventing an attack and maybe showed
> that he learned something. It's equally likely that
> the reason there hasn't been another major attack is
> because that was the equivalent of a once in a
> lifetime chance for Al-Qaeda. It may be that due to
> increased personal vigilance on the part of Americans
> makes it too difficult for Al-Qaeda to pull off
> another scheme on this scale. If nothing else it's
> incredibly arrogant for Cheney to take so much credit.
We're always at war with some wackos around the world. Bin Ladin worked for us in the past. We tried to kill him else where. Lesson learned holds no water because you'll be validating, "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here."
Whatever it is, Cheney is a symbol of our hawkish side willing, ready, and eager to strike anyone, anywhere, and anytime for whatever private gains and irrational public loss.
I didn't ignore the carnage Cheney's administration resulted, but we've already invested an image, we might as well use it by flash him around when needed.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 1:03 PM
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Polargirl
Only a fool believes a word that Dick Cheney says. The truth is that the attacks at WTC were an inside job, and I'm convinced Cheney was in on the planning and execution, though maybe not. He and Dubya did not protect us from anything at all. On the contrary, THEY, at least HE, are the terrorists.
Jet
You think that Obama does care about the rule of law, but I would like you to describe the evidence for that. I see none. In that department, his administration has taken virtually the same position as Bush's.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 12:44 PM
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> The changes he made kept us safe from subsequent
> attacks.
We think (hope). The reason it's a logically challenged statement is that it's true up until it isn't anymore. You can't prove something by saying this or that hasn't happened. I can say if it doesn't rain for the next week, it means I control the weather but it doesn't make it so. And back tho the original point if he's so damn vigilant, why di it happen in the first place. I'd take him a little more seriously if his argument stated that he'd already failed once at preventing an attack and maybe showed that he learned something. It's equally likely that the reason there hasn't been another major attack is because that was the equivalent of a once in a lifetime chance for Al-Qaeda. It may be that due to increased personal vigilance on the part of Americans makes it too difficult for Al-Qaeda to pull off another scheme on this scale. If nothing else it's incredibly arrogant for Cheney to take so much credit.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 12:27 PM
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The changes he made kept us safe from subsequent attacks.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 11:53 AM
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Question.
How can Dick claim our county is not as safe as it was during that administration, when we were attacked during that administration and not during the new?
Thanks.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 11:44 AM
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Jet,
I think that Obama cares about rule of law but I think that pragmatism is far more important to him. If he investigated all of the rascals, both sides would be in deep trouble and would basically remove the legitimacy of our Congress. Not really good for anyone except the anarchists. You know, the one's who cant conduct themselves like adults at town halls.
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Re: Ex-Reagan aide wants CIA probe to target Cheney
Sep 3, 2009 11:33 AM
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I'm still trying to find out how this Bruce Fein guy is an ex Reagan aide? Associate deputy attorney gerneral?? Did this guy even work in Washington?
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