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Everyone in the MSM is speculating as to why this happened today. That is why on this day. The only thing I can think of is Guy Fawkes day. I'm a big fan of graphic novels so it was already on my mind today. Any other ideas?
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Nov 17, 2009 12:04 PM
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> > > Taking up thermodynamics?
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> > Close enough. Go to the head of the class!
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> Isn't that where the problem students go?
The pyromaniacs.
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Nov 17, 2009 12:02 PM
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> > PW probably has a more eloquent and accurate
> version of that though. 
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> She did. 
I liked yours better.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:58 AM
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> PW probably has a more eloquent and accurate version of that though.
She did.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:52 AM
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> Ruthie...
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> >I hope spelling isn't important to whatever it is
> that you do to earn a living!
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> Duly noted. Your concern is so genuine.
I was being facetious, my guess is you're unemployed.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:51 AM
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Ruthie...
>I hope spelling isn't important to whatever it is that you do to earn a living!
Duly noted. Your concern is so genuine.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:50 AM
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Prosecuting someone for a federal crime which in no way challenges state constitutional rights does not cause a constitutional challenge.
The death penalty has been approved by the supreme court as constitutional.
Since the possible punishment is constitutional, the law being prosecuted is constitutional, and it's being tried federally there is no grounds for challenging on constitutionally.
If the state doesn't like it they can pretty much fuck themselves. They may challenge if they want but they'll lose.
PW probably has a more eloquent and accurate version of that though.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:50 AM
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lugs...
The federal death penalty can be used in any state or territory of the U.S., even in states that do not have the death penalty. It's not even an issue. The state law is not applicable. There are people on federal death row right now who were tried in states that do not have the death penalty.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:45 AM
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> Jared,
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> I spose that's the obvious unresearched position...
> The Supremecy Clause has been challenged when it
> t directly conflicts with a state constitutional
> ruling, and to date, this hasn't come up since 1976.
I hope spelling isn't important to whatever it is that you do to earn a living!
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Nov 17, 2009 11:41 AM
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Jared,
I spose that's the obvious unresearched position... The Supremecy Clause has been challenged when it directly conflicts with a state constitutional ruling, and to date, this hasn't come up since 1976.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:35 AM
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> Just a question, but isn't the trial being moved to
> NYC an end run around the death penalty? Is it
> possible to condemn someone in a state using a
> federal trial that's declared the death penalty
> unconstitutional?
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> The question being that evne though it's a federal
> trial, and terrorism is an explicit crime that can
> produce a death penalty, will the fact that it's
> being tried in NY cause the penalty to not be imposed?
No.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:20 AM
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Federal trial = Federal rules. Period. Meet the constitution.
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Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM
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Just a question, but isn't the trial being moved to NYC an end run around the death penalty? Is it possible to condemn someone in a state using a federal trial that's declared the death penalty unconstitutional?
The question being that evne though it's a federal trial, and terrorism is an explicit crime that can produce a death penalty, will the fact that it's being tried in NY cause the penalty to not be imposed?
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Little known fact: Who has the biggest counter-terrorism project, with more Arabic translators than the CIA or FBI, agents the world over, the world's largest trained anti-terrorism task force and literally thousands of trained troops as backup to the main task force, who all literally train daily for years and with an exceptional record of stopping terrorists at home and abroad since 9/11?
NYPD. They're out for blood and aren't about to let it happen again. There probably isn't a better place to hold the trial in the world. Certainly not a kangaroo court at Gitmo, further challenging constitutionality and providing fodder for terrorist recruiters.
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Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM
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So people are irrational cowards who don't want to hold it in NYC where the big secure and experienced facilities are, but can't give a good reason why. Boo hoo.
Unless you've got something better than that I'm dismissing your objection as baseless.
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Nov 17, 2009 9:39 AM
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The Army thinks they may have missed some warning signs.
Ft. Hood shootings
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