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Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
The Apple of the eye of the Lord!
Our hearts are with you, the beautiful rose of Sharon!
''Israel, an island of civilization, education, and freedom in a sea of barbarism, ignorance, and theocratic slavery. ''
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
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Congress Delivers Promised Israel Aid Bump Despite Budget Deadlock
Washington - While almost all federally financed programs were denied any funding increase for the coming year, aid to Israel from the United States will increase thanks to a legislative loophole and some deft maneuvering by pro-Israel lobbyists.
http://www.forward.com/articles/13709/
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 27, 2008 10:24 AM
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Yada Yada Yada !!!!!!
The close genetic affinity between Jews and Arabs, at least by the Y chromosome yardstick, is reflected in the Genesis account of how Abraham fathered Ishmael by his wife's maid Hagar and, when Sarah was then able to conceive, Isaac.
Although Muslims have a different version of the story, they regard Abraham and Ishmael, or Ismail, as patriarchs just as Jews do Abraham and Isaac.
Why was a decision made to send 250 Ethiopian Jews to Israeli settlements in the West Bank ???
Was the Israeli Government using the newcomers as pawns in its Ethnic Cleansing land battle with the Palestinians.
Orthodox Jews are in charge of the Interior Ministry, which regulates immigration and citizenship & many fear that large numbers of non-Jews may try to obtain easy conversions abroad to immigrate to Israel !!!
The Israeli Immigrant Liaison Bureau says that about half of the immigrants arriving from the CIS were not really Jewish !!!!!!
http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 24, 2008 10:59 PM
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Pretty,
We can agree to disagree on the issues. We could go back and forth and pull out our history books and resources and battle it out infinitum...but neither of us really want to do that when ultimately, we would both like to see the same result anyway.
It's becoming the chicken or the egg here. Neither of us are historians, archeologists, anthropologists, etc., to know all the facts or the answers--when even the experts can't agree!
I do not hate Muslims, but I do have a problem with fundamental Islam (or any fundamental religion). Honest, I think religion is the root of all evil anyway and has made a huge mess out of history and the world as a whole. I have friends who are Muslim, friends who are Jewish, friends who are Christian, friends who are Buddhists. I don't know any Hindis, however. lol.
I have a child who is half-Lebanese with family still living in Lebanon, so I have a very personal interest in the Middle East. I have visited there and I have seen with my own eyes the devastation that has been caused and lives that have been destroyed by the ongoing conflicts. I want peace in the Middle East. I want peace for mankind. I want peace in Lebanon so that my son can travel there, visit his cousins, uncles, and aunts safely. He's already lost his grandparents and hadn't seen them since he was 11 because it simply wasn't safe. His father fought in the Civil War in Lebanon for many years and suffers the emotional and physical scars. I could go on and on about what I saw there, I could relate stories of the war, stories of family hiding in bomb shelters, relatives losing limbs while sitting on balconies enjoying a cup of Arabic coffee when a car bomb exploded.
I understand it all, and then I don't understand any of it at all. But, as we say in family law, there's three sides to every story: His, hers and somewhere in between lies the truth.
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 24, 2008 10:28 PM
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> So, what are
> the European Jews, but decendants of those Jews that
> were driven out during those earlier conquests
Ummmm....what? Are you saying that all of the Jews in Europe during WWII were direct descednants of ancient Israelites? I thought being Jewish was a religion, not a nationality. So none of the Jews were German or Polish or Russian or Hungarian or anything?
> Yes, we could go back and forth on the issue---we're
> certainly not going to change things. The bottom
> line is, the Jews of Israel are not going to pack up
> and leave.
On that, we agree. It can't be undone.
> They have worked damn hard over the past
> 60 years bringing Israel to where it is today, which
> is more than most Muslims have done anywhere else in
> the Middle East in such short time. I'm not saying
> there shouldn't be a Palestinian State, nor am I
> saying Israel should have custody of all of the
> territories. What I am in favor of is reaching a
> peaceful co-existence.
As am I. But if I may say, it seems you have a complete disregard for the Palestinians.
> They are all Semetics, they are related by history,
> genetics and geography---the difference that drives
> them apart and causes such hatred is RELIGION.
Well, the Palestinians hate Israel for more than just their religion, dontcha think?
> Unfortunately, it's Islam that preaches and teaches
> s hatred, intolerance, violence, etc., and practices
> it daily
That is completely untrue. Any theologian will tell you that Islam is a peaceful religion.
ANY religion can be radicalized and perverted....as most have been at one time or another.
> and creating the majority of the unrest in
> the region and it drives me crazy because sooo much
> of Islam is rooted in Judaism.
Yes....different branch of the same tree.
> Furthermore, they did not steal the land.
> Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they were misled
> d by Egypt, Syrian and Jordan into believing they
> could one day return. But, they lost that war.
Their land was taken from them. There is no way around that.
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Jun 24, 2008 9:57 PM
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Well, you have to remember that, while some Jews remained, many Jews were driven out of the Holy Land many times over through history and emigrated all over Europe. They were driven out by conquests by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, the Sassanians, Umayaads, Abbasids, Crusaders, Mamluks and eventually fell under the Ottomans. And to complicate matters, the Jews were further displaced throughout Europe after that, including, and not to be ignored, the holocaust. So, what are the European Jews, but decendants of those Jews that were driven out during those earlier conquests.
Yes, we could go back and forth on the issue---we're certainly not going to change things. The bottom line is, the Jews of Israel are not going to pack up and leave. They have worked damn hard over the past 60 years bringing Israel to where it is today, which is more than most Muslims have done anywhere else in the Middle East in such short time. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a Palestinian State, nor am I saying Israel should have custody of all of the territories. What I am in favor of is reaching a peaceful co-existence.
They are all Semetics, they are related by history, genetics and geography---the difference that drives them apart and causes such hatred is RELIGION. Unfortunately, it's Islam that preaches and teaches hatred, intolerance, violence, etc., and practices it daily and creating the majority of the unrest in the region and it drives me crazy because sooo much of Islam is rooted in Judaism.
Furthermore, they did not steal the land. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they were misled by Egypt, Syrian and Jordan into believing they could one day return. But, they lost that war.
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 24, 2008 9:13 PM
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> In all fairness, however, one cannot say that the
> Arabs were there first and thus, must be given back
> the land. Who are the Arabs in such statement?
> Muslims? Palestinians? And so the debate goes on.
In all fairness then, you agree that the European Jews had no claim to any land in the Middle East, let alone the "promised land" that the Israelites stole from the Canaanites?
And incidentally, weren't the Canaanites Arabs?
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 24, 2008 9:04 PM
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Well, no. The post I was answering, I took the author to mean the Arabs as in Muslims and/or Palestinians, particularly in view of the debate that's been going on in this thread as to Israel and the terroritories.
To be politically correct, an Arab is a person who identifies as such on genealogical, linguistic, or cultural grounds. The plural form, Arabs, refers to the ethnic group at large.
Though the Arabic language pre-dates the Common Era, Arabic culture was first spread in the Middle East beginning in the 2nd century as ethnically Arab Christians such as the Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Banu Judham began migrating into the Northern Arabian desert and the Levant. The Arabic language gained greater prominence with the rise of Islam in the 7th century AD as the language of the Qur'an, and Arabic language and culture were more widely disseminated as a result of early Islamic expansion.
"Arab" is defined independently of religious identity, and pre-dates the rise of Islam, with historically attested Arab Christian kingdoms and Arab Jews. The earliest documented use of the word "Arab" as defining a group of people dates from the 9th century BC. Islamized but non-Arabized peoples, and therefore the majority of the world's Muslims, do not form part of the Arab World but comprise what is the geographically larger and diverse Muslim World.
Many people, however, tend to call Muslims "Arabs" and most people don't know the difference.
In all fairness, however, one cannot say that the Arabs were there first and thus, must be given back the land. Who are the Arabs in such statement? Muslims? Palestinians? And so the debate goes on.
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Jun 24, 2008 2:09 PM
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Is the $3 Billion Israel gets every year from the US used to ''grease'' the wheels of the US Congress ???
This video not seen in the in the US explains it all !!!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20155.htm
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> Arabs were the first people??? Since when?? It
> appears YOU don't know your history.
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> Islam did not come about until the 7th century. Some
> would argue they're still living in it.
Are you saying there were no Arabs before there was Islam??
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM
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Whoops, sorry, double post.
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Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM
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Arabs were the first people??? Since when?? It appears YOU don't know your history.
Islam did not come about until the 7th century. Some would argue they're still living in it.
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Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM
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Arabs were the first people??? Since when?? It appears YOU don't know your history.
Islam did not come about until the 7th century. Some would argue they're still living in it.
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 22, 2008 3:29 AM
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Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
The Apple of the eye of the Lord!
Our hearts are with you, the beautiful rose of Sharon!
''Israel, an island of civilization, education, and freedom in a sea of barbarism, ignorance, and theocratic slavery. ''
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You sir are mistaken. It's those of your mind that will kill western civilization.
Do you know history?
The Arabs were the FIRST civilization. These people, while our forefathers were barbarian savages, had trade routes, owned the spices, the center of civilization.
Why can't we show any respect?
I am scared of no man. I will fight to the death if you come against me or my family. I also am learned, educated. These people are no threat to America.
It is all made up.
The Mititary Industrial complex MUST have an enemy.....at least every ten years.
The founding fathers, the Sons of Liberty would be ashamed of all of us for allowing the great experiment to become this.
I wish my America could be salvagable, but it isn't. I hope for a quicker death of the house on the hill. Not this slow painful thing.
The crowd watching this is a generation of pregnant children sucking other children off...because that isn't sex......I live in a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, world, and yall can have it.
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 22, 2008 3:12 AM
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I hope it be your last.
The Terrorist state of israel is the root of the worlds woes.
The Arabs would have busted a nut off in you without America, and we are damned for it.
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Re: Happy Birthday, dear Israel!
Jun 21, 2008 9:12 PM
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2008 is the 60th anniversary of Israel, Al Nakba and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights upon which Israel's very statehood was contingent upon upholding.
Israel will never be secure until they honor it and international law.
We the people of the USA are complicit in Israel's human rights abuses by virtue of our 3.2 BILLION annual tax dollars [over 100 BILLION since 1948] that go to support the 40 frickin' years of military occupation.
International law states occupation is to be TEMPORARY and maintain the status quo:
The apartheid wall is one example and proof positive that Israel is out of control.
"Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile, the Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services.
In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." [Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007]
Eileen Fleming, Reporter and Editor WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
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