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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 7:23 PM
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> I just heard someone say on Chris Matthews show that
> this is the most far left and radical administration
> ever.
>
> There's that word "radical again."
That's two words.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 7:21 PM
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I just heard someone say on Chris Matthews show that this is the most far left and radical administration ever.
There's that word "radical again."
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 7:14 PM
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> >
> > Seeing as single payer wasn't an option, I was
> hoping
> > at least for a vibrant public option. But from
> what
> > I'm hearing, people like Rockefeller, Schumer,
> > Weiner...strong advocates of the public
> option...are
> > happy with this. I have to see what it is
> before
> > passing judgment, but I'm optimistic that it
> will be
> > a pretty good bill, one that can pave the way
> for
> > better reform down the road.
>
> I think what's important is that a health care reform
> bill passes this session. I don't see this as the
> last word on the subject. There is nothing that says
> whatever they pass can't be improved upon in the
> future.
Yep. One step at a time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Choose your favorite idiom. It's progress and more than any other adminstration has been able to accomplish.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 7:11 PM
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> > > I'm with you, Griz. I'm interested to see
> the
> > bill.
> > > I heard it includes expanding medicare so
> you
> > can
> > > n buy in at 55, and expanding Medicaid to
> > 150%-200%
> > > of the poverty level. And the public
> option
> > has
> > > become some sort of privately run national
> plan,
> > with
> > > a trigger to the public option if it fails
> to
> > > accomplish the same goal a public option
> would.
> > I'm
> > > interested to check it out.
> >
> > I knew I wouldn't be thrilled with whatever came
> out
> > seeing as I'm for single-payer and that got
> dropped
> > before it even got started. But if there is some
> kind
> > of option and that proved popular, then maybe
> someday
> > people'll realize that not absolutely everything
> has
> > to be FOR PROFIT.
>
> Seeing as single payer wasn't an option, I was hoping
> at least for a vibrant public option. But from what
> I'm hearing, people like Rockefeller, Schumer,
> Weiner...strong advocates of the public option...are
> happy with this. I have to see what it is before
> passing judgment, but I'm optimistic that it will be
> a pretty good bill, one that can pave the way for
> better reform down the road.
I think what's important is that a health care reform bill passes this session. I don't see this as the last word on the subject. There is nothing that says whatever they pass can't be improved upon in the future.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:57 PM
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> > > Which is why the Right has been doing
> everything
> > it
> > > can to stop it. The only ideas they came
> up
> > with,
> > > capping lawsuits and allowing it to sell
> across
> > state
> > > lines, will only benefit the insurance
> > companies.
> >
> > There ya go again.
>
> Do you have a rebuttal?
See Post# Punked Again
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM
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> > > >
> > > > But it increases the chances that
> the
> > health
> > > care
> > > > bill will now get enough support in
> the
> > U.S.
> > > upper
> > > > house to enable its passing.
> > > >
> > > > Thus, some kind of reform gets done,
> even
> > if its
> > > not
> > > > the best we could have.
> > >
> > > Everybody agrees that there needs to be
> health
> > care
> > > reform, the argument is how.
> >
> > Which is why the Right has been doing everything
> it
> > can to stop it. The only ideas they came up
> with,
> > capping lawsuits and allowing it to sell across
> state
> > lines, will only benefit the insurance
> companies.
>
> There ya go again.
Do you have a rebuttal?
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM
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> > >
> > > But it increases the chances that the
> health
> > care
> > > bill will now get enough support in the
> U.S.
> > upper
> > > house to enable its passing.
> > >
> > > Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even
> if its
> > not
> > > the best we could have.
> >
> > Everybody agrees that there needs to be health
> care
> > reform, the argument is how.
>
> Which is why the Right has been doing everything it
> can to stop it. The only ideas they came up with,
> capping lawsuits and allowing it to sell across state
> lines, will only benefit the insurance companies.
There ya go again.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:43 PM
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> > I'm with you, Griz. I'm interested to see the
> bill.
> > I heard it includes expanding medicare so you
> can
> > n buy in at 55, and expanding Medicaid to
> 150%-200%
> > of the poverty level. And the public option
> has
> > become some sort of privately run national plan,
> with
> > a trigger to the public option if it fails to
> > accomplish the same goal a public option would.
> I'm
> > interested to check it out.
>
> I knew I wouldn't be thrilled with whatever came out
> seeing as I'm for single-payer and that got dropped
> before it even got started. But if there is some kind
> of option and that proved popular, then maybe someday
> people'll realize that not absolutely everything has
> to be FOR PROFIT.
Seeing as single payer wasn't an option, I was hoping at least for a vibrant public option. But from what I'm hearing, people like Rockefeller, Schumer, Weiner...strong advocates of the public option...are happy with this. I have to see what it is before passing judgment, but I'm optimistic that it will be a pretty good bill, one that can pave the way for better reform down the road.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:36 PM
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> >
> > But it increases the chances that the health
> care
> > bill will now get enough support in the U.S.
> upper
> > house to enable its passing.
> >
> > Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even if its
> not
> > the best we could have.
>
> Everybody agrees that there needs to be health care
> reform, the argument is how.
Which is why the Right has been doing everything it can to stop it. The only ideas they came up with, capping lawsuits and allowing it to sell across state lines, will only benefit the insurance companies.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM
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> But it increases the chances that the health care
> bill will now get enough support in the U.S. upper
> house to enable its passing.
>
> Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even if its not
> the best we could have.
Everybody agrees that there needs to be health care reform, the argument is how.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:34 PM
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> >
> > But it increases the chances that the health
> care
> > bill will now get enough support in the U.S.
> upper
> > house to enable its passing.
> >
> > Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even if its
> not
> > the best we could have.
>
> I'm with you, Griz. I'm interested to see the bill.
> I heard it includes expanding medicare so you can
> n buy in at 55, and expanding Medicaid to 150%-200%
> of the poverty level. And the public option has
> become some sort of privately run national plan, with
> a trigger to the public option if it fails to
> accomplish the same goal a public option would. I'm
> interested to check it out.
I knew I wouldn't be thrilled with whatever came out seeing as I'm for single-payer and that got dropped before it even got started. But if there is some kind of option and that proved popular, then maybe someday people'll realize that not absolutely everything has to be FOR PROFIT.
And yes Justice, I freely admit to being a Democratic Socialist.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM
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> But it increases the chances that the health care
> bill will now get enough support in the U.S. upper
> house to enable its passing.
>
> Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even if its not
> the best we could have.
I'm with you, Griz. I'm interested to see the bill. I heard it includes expanding medicare so you can buy in at 55, and expanding Medicaid to 150%-200% of the poverty level. And the public option has become some sort of privately run national plan, with a trigger to the public option if it fails to accomplish the same goal a public option would. I'm interested to check it out.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:28 PM
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But it increases the chances that the health care bill will now get enough support in the U.S. upper house to enable its passing.
Thus, some kind of reform gets done, even if its not the best we could have.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 6:25 PM
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Tic Toc.
Dramatic defeat for Obama as U.S. Democrats 'drop public option' from healthcare reform
By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 4:15 PM on 09th December 2009
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Blow: Mr Obama speaking at the Brookings Institute in Washington last night
Barack Obama's plans to reform American healthcare been dealt a massive blow after Democrats in the Senate appear to have dropped plans for an NHS-style insurance scheme in the U.S.
Plans for the government-run health insurance scheme seem to have been dropped last night in a bid to ease reform through Washington.
Under a deal stuck late yesterday, the so-called public option part of proposed legislation was jettisoned, in favour of a non-profit private alternative overseen by a federal agency.
Mr Obama's hopes for a public option dominated domestic politics in America over the summer, turning healthcare into a massive priority - almost bigger than the economy.
His popularity plunged over the issue as violence broke out in town hall meetings across the country on the subject.
The compromise will disappoint advocates of having a government-run scheme in place to compete with insurers and drive down costs.
But it increases the chances that the health care bill will now get enough support in the U.S. upper house to enable its passing.
Politicians are looking at reforms that would extend medical coverage to tens of millions of Americans who are shut out in the current system.
Under yesterday's compromise, people aged 55 or older will be able to buy into Medicare, the government-funded provision currently available to the over 65s.
Senate majority leader Democrat Harry Reid announced the 'broad agreement' late on Tuesday.
'We've overcome a real problem that we had,' he said.
Mr Reid did not give details of the deal struck, but others confirmed that it would mark the end of the public option.
It should move Democrats closer to the 60 votes needed in the Senate to pass the bill with ease.
The party needs to get all 58 of its Senate members on board plus two independents to reach that total without resorting to Republican support.
One sticking point could come in the shape of Nebraska senator Democrat Ben Nelson who has said he would not vote for the bill unless anti-abortion language was toughened up.
Nonetheless, White House spokesman Reid Cherlin welcomed news of a broad compromise. He said: 'Senators are making great progress and we're pleased that they're working together to find common ground towards options that increase choice and competition.'
But even if it passes through the Senate, negotiators have further work ahead.
Democrats in the House of Representatives would also have to abandon the idea of a public option. A version of the bill already approved in the House includes the government-run programme.
The jettisoning of the public option was not wholly unexpected, with hints that it would happen in the summer.
U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told CNN in August that the government-run alternative ‘is not the essential element’ of the healthcare overhaul.
She said the White House would be open to setting up non-profit insurance cooperatives instead, an option that would be more palatable to Republicans fiercely opposed to any further state involvement in the nation’s private sector-dominated health system.
‘I think there will be a competitor to private insurers. That’s really the essential part.
'You don’t turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing. We need some choices, we need some competition,’ she added.
Hillary Clinton’s attempt to change America’s private healthcare system was deemed one of the most embarrassing failures of her husband’s two-term presidency.
Over the summer, some analysts suggested Mr Obama’s renewed focus on extending medical insurance coverage to the nearly 46 million Americans who are currently uninsured could suffer a similar fate.
One senior Republican, Senator Jim DeMint, went so far as to label the issue Mr Obama’s ‘Waterloo’ back in August.
The problem is that while many poorer Americans fall through the healthcare net, most receive health insurance that is at least partially paid for by their employers and a CNN poll carried out in August suggested the majority of people are satisfied with the system as it is.
Mr Obama sought to distance himself from accusations he was trying to socialise healthcare - like it is on the NHS - during the summer, after the British system came under fire from his right wing opponents.
Despite Gordon Brown and David Cameron's avowed support for the NHS, the president told a crowd in Montana that he was ‘not in favour of the British system’ and added: ‘I want to find a uniquely American system.’
Conservatives and the evangelical Christian right wing - both key supporters of ex-President George Bush - who were pushed unceremoniously out of office in the November election now see a path back to power through the healthcare debate.
The lightning rod issue of abortion is dominating many of the protests.
Legislation under consideration by the U.S. Congress would undo current policy which bans the use of federal funds to terminate pregnancies except in cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s health is in danger.
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Re: Opinion of The Right.
Dec 9, 2009 5:53 PM
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> Give him time he will take care of his arab
> pals.
Troll
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