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Somebody said they come in three? We're way past that now.
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Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM
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Oh no! RIP, Soupy.
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Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM
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> Soupy Sales
Rest in peace, and enjoy that big pie in the sky, funny man.
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Oct 22, 2009 9:36 PM
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> > I don't believe that putting defective humans
> to
> > death will do anything to prevent the birth of
> new
> > defective human beings. I believe most
> sociopaths are
> > made, not born anyway.
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> And this is not the viewpoint I'm here to dispute.
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> Correct me if I'm wrong Solong, but you believe that
> society and all of it's influences creates
> sociopaths?
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> I believe that sociopaths are defective from the
> start.
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CameHeavy,
Have to agree with you here. And so far I don't think there is much research on the benefits, if any, of early intervention, or even if there has been any successful early intervention. But children performing the acts that are the precursors of sociopathy is incomprehensible in a child that has healthy neuropathways. And I do think nature versus nurture is very much a chicken or the egg argument. And even that does not answer why some children who suffer tremendous trauma go on to be healthy and productive, and others do not, or even children of privilege or caring parents. There has got to be some component of nature in it.
And I agree that it is intolerable within any species.
> I'll concede that it's a 50-50 split within the
> scientific community as to the cause of sociopathy.
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> My point is that sociopathy is intolerable within the
> species.
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> > I also resent paying for years of appeals for
> death
> > penalty convicts.
>
> Not relevant, but I agree.
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Oct 20, 2009 7:24 PM
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I have to chime in here on the death penalty issue.
Murder is horrible, no doubt about it. And, we all want a sense of vengeance.
I''m definitely not politically correct, nor am I some Bible-thumper, but I have come to believe that no one has the right to take a life, be it a deranged criminal or the state or federal government.
CH, I get your agrument for the deranged and defective and sociopaths, but what if one day someone decides, for whatever reason, that I should lose my life because they deemed me unworthy?
Sorry, I can't go along with this.
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Oct 20, 2009 1:30 PM
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Vic Mizzy
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Oct 20, 2009 1:22 PM
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Howard Unruh, unspecified cause. America's first single-episode mass murderer. Paranoid schizophrenia is a horrible illness.
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Thanks CH. It cost me my brother, but you know what they say about denial. Me? I couldn't argue with the DNA evidence staring me square in the face. (His blood at the scene and her blood in his truck.) That lil old lady went to high school with his mother back in the 50s. All for crack money. That's why I hate crack so much.
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Oct 18, 2009 8:40 PM
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> You'll never hear that out of me CH. I even wanted it
> for my murdering nephew. (A real POS, that one.)
That's a shame, Magi.
It takes a strong will to see clear.
My condolences on what has to be a difficult situation.
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Oct 18, 2009 8:35 PM
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> I don't believe that putting defective humans to
> death will do anything to prevent the birth of new
> defective human beings. I believe most sociopaths are
> made, not born anyway.
And this is not the viewpoint I'm here to dispute.
Correct me if I'm wrong Solong, but you believe that society and all of it's influences creates sociopaths?
I believe that sociopaths are defective from the start.
I'll concede that it's a 50-50 split within the scientific community as to the cause of sociopathy.
My point is that sociopathy is intolerable within the species.
> I also resent paying for years of appeals for death
> penalty convicts.
Not relevant, but I agree.
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Oct 18, 2009 8:33 PM
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> Reading back on this thread ...
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> The death of that murderer Susan Atkins seemed to
> conjure up a "RIP". That was comedy in the first
> place.
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> In the second place came the inability of some here
> to administer a death penalty, no matter the crime.
I was one of those posters. I myself couldn't condemn someone to death.
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> Why do we, as a species walking the earth, not
> understand that there are defective humans? Those
> that can't be "rehabilitated" or changed? They are
> simply defective humans.
So you are in favor of selective breading?
"Forced sterilization in Germany was the forerunner of the systematic killing of the mentally ill and the handicapped. In October 1939, Hitler himself initiated a decree which empowered physicians to grant a "mercy death" to "patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health." The intent of the socalled "euthanasia" program, however, was not to relieve the suffering of the chronically ill. The Nazi regime used the term as a euphemism: its aim was to exterminate the mentally ill and the handicapped, thus "cleansing" the "Aryan" race of persons considered genetically defective and a financial burden to society."
Is this what you want?
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> I put Susan Atkins into this category. A depraved
> fucking human being, worthy of the "death penalty". I
> put "death penalty" in quotes because it's not a
> "penalty" at all. It's what's necessary under the
> circumstances.
She (they) did receive the death penalty.
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> Ah, but those amongst you that are anti-death penalty
> will say "Heavy, you've been a slaughtering asshole
> so you're just attempting to justify your own actions
> by attaching some type of scientific theory to it".
> Maybe so.
>
> We can't have it. Depraved killing. It must be
> extinguished. If it's a trait in some gene, then I
> say kill it. It's counter-productive to the species.
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Oct 18, 2009 7:41 PM
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> Reading back on this thread ...
>
> The death of that murderer Susan Atkins seemed to
> conjure up a "RIP". That was comedy in the first
> place.
>
> In the second place came the inability of some here
> to administer a death penalty, no matter the crime.
>
I think that in some cases, the death penalty is justified. However, there have been too many people who ended up on death row and were later found to be innocent. What do you do, say oops? Unless there is compelling evidence,including physical evidence, to connect someone to a crime, life imprisonment should be the penalty.
> Why do we, as a species walking the earth, not
> understand that there are defective humans? Those
> that can't be "rehabilitated" or changed? They are
> simply defective humans.
>
> I put Susan Atkins into this category. A depraved
> fucking human being, worthy of the "death penalty". I
> put "death penalty" in quotes because it's not a
> "penalty" at all. It's what's necessary under the
> circumstances.
>
> Ah, but those amongst you that are anti-death penalty
> will say "Heavy, you've been a slaughtering asshole
> so you're just attempting to justify your own actions
> by attaching some type of scientific theory to it".
> Maybe so.
>
> We can't have it. Depraved killing. It must be
> extinguished. If it's a trait in some gene, then I
> say kill it. It's counter-productive to the species.
I don't believe that putting defective humans to death will do anything to prevent the birth of new defective human beings. I believe most sociopaths are made, not born anyway.
I also resent paying for years of appeals for death penalty convicts.
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Oct 18, 2009 7:39 PM
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You'll never hear that out of me CH. I even wanted it for my murdering nephew. (A real POS, that one.)
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Oct 18, 2009 7:01 PM
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Reading back on this thread ...
The death of that murderer Susan Atkins seemed to conjure up a "RIP". That was comedy in the first place.
In the second place came the inability of some here to administer a death penalty, no matter the crime.
Why do we, as a species walking the earth, not understand that there are defective humans? Those that can't be "rehabilitated" or changed? They are simply defective humans.
I put Susan Atkins into this category. A depraved fucking human being, worthy of the "death penalty". I put "death penalty" in quotes because it's not a "penalty" at all. It's what's necessary under the circumstances.
Ah, but those amongst you that are anti-death penalty will say "Heavy, you've been a slaughtering asshole so you're just attempting to justify your own actions by attaching some type of scientific theory to it". Maybe so.
We can't have it. Depraved killing. It must be extinguished. If it's a trait in some gene, then I say kill it. It's counter-productive to the species.
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