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Discussion thread for topics related to privacy and the invasion of it by__________________ (fill in the blank).
Can we get it back?
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 11:31 AM
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> Discussion thread for topics related to privacy and
> the invasion of it BECAUSE OF A-HOLES WHO RUIN A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE>
> Can we get it back? no
Fix your home up with locks. Build a high fence around your backdoor. Get tinted glass for your car windows.
Don't tell your neighbor what you do for a living. Always pay cash, to avoid the trace. Never use a cell phone, to avoid the trace.
Always wear sunglasses when you shop indoors. Wear dark clothing to blend in with the background. Lie about your age and birth date.
Keep a small handgun in your living room. Keep two more in strategic easy to reach places in your house.
Go to spyglass and get a secret recording device. Always have it on you.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 11:15 AM
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> > Luckily there is no defined right to privacy and
> it
> > rightis a completely made up right. You dont
> have a
> > to privacy, you do have a right to life, liberty
> and
> > the pursuit of happiness
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> You're pissing into the wind here and dodging the
> real issue. Remember the prohibition against
> "unreasonable searches and seizures?" Fortunately for
> the rest of America, the framers explicitly spelled
> that out for you. Why would you defend big government
> spying on average joe's anyways? Conservatives used
> to have a shred of decency in the fact that they
> fought for, not against, civil liberties -
> where the hell did that go?
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> The Supreme Court, however, beginning as early as
> 1923 and continuing through its recent decisions, has
> broadly read the "liberty" guarantee of the
> Fourteenth Amendment to guarantee a fairly broad
> right of privacy that has come to encompass decisions
> about child rearing, procreation, marriage, and
> termination of medical treatment.
> link
Hmm...last i checked the constitution came before 1923 and wasnt invented by the supreme court. And unreasonable searches and seizures? So I wonder if you think stopping the assassination attempt on Obama this week was a violation of the right to privacy since the police had no warrant...Its absurd. Give me my very clear defined rights to bear arms and give every child a right to live and then talk. Until then change your name.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 11:06 AM
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> Luckily there is no defined right to privacy and it
> rightis a completely made up right. You dont have a
> to privacy, you do have a right to life, liberty and
> the pursuit of happiness
You're pissing into the wind here and dodging the real issue. Remember the prohibition against "unreasonable searches and seizures?" Fortunately for the rest of America, the framers explicitly spelled that out for you. Why would you defend big government spying on average joe's anyways? Conservatives used to have a shred of decency in the fact that they fought for, not against, civil liberties - where the hell did that go?
The Supreme Court, however, beginning as early as 1923 and continuing through its recent decisions, has broadly read the "liberty" guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment to guarantee a fairly broad right of privacy that has come to encompass decisions about child rearing, procreation, marriage, and termination of medical treatment.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 9:58 AM
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Paranoid exploiter of her sons death...Shes a scumbag.
Luckily there is no defined right to privacy and it is a completely made up right. You dont have a right to privacy, you do have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (unless your a downsyndrome baby who survived an abortion, then fuck you, go die in the sink). You also have the right to bear arms and that right shall not be infringed (unless you want to bear arms in places you actually need to bear arms at or if you live in san francisco).
So there you go. When we get our certain inalieable rights back, then we can worry about these fake rights.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 9:51 AM
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Cindy Sheehan Catches G-Men Bugging her Denver Hotel Phone
The following is an excerpt from a report posted by Cindy Sheehan at the San Francisco Bay Area Independent Media Center:
The most troubling thing happened, though, when I arrived back to my hotel. We got back early because the altitude and sleeplessness were starting to take a toll on us. We did not march after the rally, so we decided to rest before the next event at 7pm. As I walked toward my room, I noticed that the door was opened with the security bolt blocking the complete closing of the door. I knew immediately that I had not left the door open, and I double checked to make sure it was the right room because, as a frequent traveler, I have been known to forget my room number, but it was the right room. I was upset at first thinking that housekeeping had made a mistake and left my room open and I was worried that something might be missing. So I walked into my room and bigger than life, there was a man standing by my desk holding the room phone with a screwdriver in his hand! I immediately said; ?What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?? He looked like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and stammered out: ?N?no, we are having problems with the phone.? I told him to get out of my room because my phone was fine and I called the front desk and the person at the front desk stammered something out about ?problems? with some of the phones. This room was reserved soon after we got to Denver last night because the room we had was inadequate for 3 people. The room was reserved under my campaign manager?s name with a CFC debit card. By the time we left for the march, it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that?s what was happening when I walked in on the ?maintenance? man and I am becoming more shocked every day with what the ruling class are capable of?.that?s why? My phones are in the room fridge. Let them listen to refridgerator noise?
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"Freedom is a rumor" - Amy Goodman
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 27, 2008 1:13 AM
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Dennis Kucinich's speech at the DNC tonight:
It's Election Day 2008. We Democrats are giving America a wake-up call. Wake up, America. In 2001, the oil companies, the war contractors and the neo-con artists seized the economy and have added 4 trillion dollars of unproductive spending to the national debt. We now pay four times more for defense, three times more for gasoline and home heating oil and twice what we paid for health care.
Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, their homes, their health care, their pensions. Trillions of dollars for an unnecessary war paid with borrowed money. Tens of billions of dollars in cash and weapons disappeared into thin air, at the cost of the lives of our troops and innocent Iraqis, while all the president's oilmen are maneuvering to grab Iraq's oil.
Borrowed money to bomb bridges in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. No money to rebuild bridges in America. Money to start a hot war with Iran. Now we have another cold war with Russia, while the American economy has become a game of Russian roulette.
If there was an Olympics for misleading, mismanaging and misappropriating, this administration would take the gold. World records for violations of national and international laws. They want another four-year term to continue to alienate our allies, spend our children's inheritance and hollow out our economy.
We can't afford another Republican administration. Wake up, America. The insurance companies took over health care. Wake up, America. The pharmaceutical companies took over drug pricing.
Wake up, America. The speculators took over Wall Street. Wake up, America. They want to take your Social Security. Wake up, America. Multinational corporations took over our trade policies, factories are closing, good paying jobs lost.
Wake up, America. We went into Iraq for oil. The oil companies want more. War against Iran will mean $10-a-gallon gasoline. The oil administration wants to drill more, into your wallet. Wake up, America. Weapons contractors want more. An Iran war will cost 5 to 10 trillion dollars.
This administration can tap our phones. They can't tap our creative spirit. They can open our mail. They can't open economic opportunities. They can track our every move. They lost track of the economy while the cost of food, gasoline and electricity skyrockets. They skillfully played our post-9/11 fears and allowed the few to profit at the expense of the many. Every day we get the color orange, while the oil companies, the insurance companies, the speculators, the war contractors get the color green.
Wake up, America. This is not a call for you to take a new direction from right to left. This is call for you to go from down to up. Up with the rights of workers. Up with wages. Up with fair trade. Up with creating millions of good paying jobs, rebuilding our bridges, ports and water systems. Up with creating millions of sustainable energy jobs to lower the cost of energy, lower carbon emissions and protect the environment.
Up with health care for all. Up with education for all. Up with home ownership. Up with guaranteed retirement benefits. Up with peace. Up with prosperity. Up with the Democratic Party. Up with Obama-Biden.
Wake up, America. Wake up, America. Wake up, America.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 26, 2008 4:46 PM
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Drug policy, 100 years of a pernicious drug policy, has rendered the american criminal justice system unrecognizable and dysfunctional.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 26, 2008 3:37 PM
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We've discussed this topic so much through the years on The Wire boards. As the war on drugs became a war between the State and the underclass, the poor of all colors, regular Americans have felt their loyalties so torn. With 2 million of us in prison mostly for drug crimes, people are reluctant to act on the State's behalf reporting related crimes because of how the State has abused The People over this issue.
But it's such a double edged sword! If we don't report crime, the bad criminals become more powerful and hurt us even worse than the State does.
Catch 22.
To snitch or not to snitch, that is the question. 
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 26, 2008 10:34 AM
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Jet and RK - I agree totally. There are victimless crimes, crimes that are only so because some politicians decided that they should be crimes. How can these things (like smoking pot) be crimes in a country where the government condones torture?
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 26, 2008 8:28 AM
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Agreed RK, completely.
I will be the first in line to report a real crime if I am a witness to it.
But crimes against the state, no way.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 26, 2008 2:06 AM
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I don't spy on my neighbors and I think if I listened to a police scanner it would just make me paranoid but if I saw a crime happening that I thought was harmful to people or property, I'd call the police in a heartbeat. Not things like parking or grass too tall or pot smoking...but anything serious. I feel like not reporting it would be like I was complicit somehow.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 25, 2008 3:57 PM
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Public policy that works against the best interests of society.
And now with the War On Terror it's even more widespread.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 25, 2008 12:01 PM
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Oh yes. People are encouraged to do this. People like plumbers and delivery folks are encouraged to look for hints of suspicion also by more than innuendo. Drug Free America has had public service messages like this.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 25, 2008 9:58 AM
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I think it's because several generations now have been conditioned to call the cops for all sorts of trivial matters.
Instead of trying to resolve things between or amongst citizens, they call the authorities. IMO, the main impetus for this behavior, the snitch mentality, has been our pernicious drug policy.
Neighbor snitching on neighbor, and in many areas cash awards are offered just to sweeten the pot.
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Re: The Right to Privacy in America is now an Illusion
Aug 24, 2008 10:45 PM
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Jet,
Do you think it's because the evening news is all crime all the time and people are just paranoid more than they used to be or why?
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