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it was not to long ago, that sam walton said everything he sold was american.he was sure proud of that .wonder if he knows that ,90% they sell now is from overseas.do you think this is good ,or bad for america.im a union member ,and i seen lots of jobs being lost to walmart .low price- lower wage .
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Re: is walmart anti american
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same old thing .repubics blame dems .and the people in busness blame unions.and the middle class and blue collar pays .lol
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> > > > > Blame unions, not retailers.
> Unions
> > are
> > > run by
> > > > > organized crime, and they
> couldn't
> > care
> > > less.
> > > >
> > > > All Unions? Teachers unions? AFSCME?
> or
> > are
> > > you
> > > > still believing the stereotypes and
> > movies?
> > >
> > > Don't get me started on the teachers union.
> I
> > do lay
> > > all blame on them for protecting
> incompetent
> > > teachers.
> >
> > Really? Have you ever worked in education? It's
> a
> > little different that working at the local
> factory.
> > (OH wait there is no more local factory) But
> when
> > there was, you had what? a 90 day probation
> period?
> > In education you have three years that you can
> be
> > e fired for no cause whatsoever. Principal
> didn't
> > like the tie you wore that day, CYA! So don't
> you
> > think after walking on eggshells for 3 years
> that a
> > teacher ought to have a little protection and be
> able
> > to concentrate on their job fully?
> >
>
> Hogwash. They should be held accountable just like
> any other worker in the world. They better damn well
> walk on eggshells. They should also be paid more,
> but they should never be given immunity.
They don't get immunity. Without tenure, a teacher could be fired for virtually any cause, even those not related to education. Like political affiliation, or lifestyle, so Yes I think they need protection. And perhaps because teaching is not like any other job.
>
> > And the one aspect of "incompetent teachers"
> that no
> > one ever mentions? Incompetent parents
>
> Preaching to the choir on this one.
>
> > and incompetent children.
>
> I don't believe this.
ah you believe "all children can learn". that's sweet. Not true, but sweet.
>
>
> > > > must
> > > > > strive to teach our children
> better.
> > > >
> > > > How many computer geeks do we need?
> > >
> > > More and more and more, until they're not
> > called
> > > geeks anymore. This is like asking how
> many
> > people
> > > need to know how to read.
> >
> > Not what I meant. How many techs dio we need
> and how
> > many of those geek jobs are done in India?
>
> I am totally against H1B jobs and outsourcing, but it
> is a sad fact that there are not enough geeks to
> pound out code. I deal with prima-donna programmers
> all the time. They can afford to act that way
> because they don't have enough competition in the
> office.
You know the problem is that not everyone wants to be a techy, or is capable of being a techy. It's cruel, but the world needs ditch diggers too. Yea, I know that's what the Mexicans are for huh?
>
> > Not many
> > Americans working over there. But if you're
> cool
> > with, as you seem to be after all they're not
> union
> > over there.
>
> White collar workers generally don't deal with
> unions.
Really? All or most of the gov't jobs, state and federal and local are union jobs. check who is the biggest employer in the nation.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Service meaning
> > > > "you want fries with that?",
> > >
> > > No. Actually since every aspect of your
> life
> > > involves a computer, one might even say
> that
> > computer
> > > programmers are service jobs.
> >
> >
> > Not my life. I have as little to do with
> computers
> > as possible. Current use included. But I see
> what
> > you mean about modern life and technology. and
> it is
> > not a good thing. I'm an analog man living in
> a
> > digital world.
>
> I too long for a simpler day, such as not being
> leashed to a cell phone, unfortunately I like things
> like my DVRs and these HBO boards.
After my 27 year old neighbor got a brain tumor I threw my cell phone away. (He was a rent-a-center guy, on the phone all day)
>
> >
> > >
> > > > oh that's a life goal!
> > > > Does the fact that our trade imbalance
> is
> > so
> > > great
> > > > t our foreign debt so great, due
> partly to
> > that
> > > > imbalance. We are on a time bomb
> > economically
> > > spaking
> > > > and everyone is just whistling past
> the
> > > graveyard.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > XXX
> > >
> > > Our trade imbalance is shameful. There is
> not
> > doubt
> > > about that. But I'm really not sure why
> people
> > think
> > > this is new information. Back in the day
> when I
> > used
> > > to walk to school up hill both ways, it was
> all
> > about
> > > "made in Japan."
> >
> > Me too, only then the joke was that "Made in
> Japan"
> > meant that it was POS. but they changed that.
> and
> > d in the course of bigger profit and fuck the
> > american worker the manufacturing has decreased
> to a
> > little over 18% of jobs when they were upwards
> of
> > 68%. But hey the unions have been screwed and
> who
> > else has been screwed? Why the American worker
>
> Yes, screwed by the unions that were being paid
> protection money by their members.
Ok, how many times have you seen "Hoffa"? This union hate of yours is not good. unions got Americans the 40 work week, Overtime pay, 8 hour work day. Do you really want to go back to the days of Andrew Carneige and JD Rockefeller?
>
> >, not
> > everyone has the acumen to be techy.
>
> And to this I say humbug. You'ld be surprised at
> just how easy techy stuff is. Most people are
> brainwashed early in life to think that you need a
> math degree to understand this stuff, and that is
> just not true. I'm living proof of this.
Not brainwashed, reality. But your acumen notwithstanding, not everyone can do it, or wants to do it.
>
>
> > and the
> > American consumer, like all those GHB kids, and
> lead
> > paint kids and antifreeze toothpaste people.
> >
> > But hey that's free market economics isn't it.
> caveat
> > emptor
>
> I hold the manufacturer responsible for not
> inspecting their factories. American factories are
> not immune to mistakes, just look at all the food
> recalls lately.
when that manufacturer is in china, it is up to our gov't to ensure that the products are safe. and yes food recalls happen all the time. It goes with corporate agribusiness ethics.
>
> >
> > --
> > XXX
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Nov 12, 2007 2:49 PM
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> > What exactly *is* "hogwash"?
>
> A mixture of Dawn dishwasher soap and WD40. It seems
> like a pointless combination, because it is. Those
> damn pigs just go back outside and lie in their own
> filth.
I see!
I also would have accepted "You in a bath tub." Or some burn variation therein.
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> What exactly *is* "hogwash"?
A mixture of Dawn dishwasher soap and WD40. It seems like a pointless combination, because it is. Those damn pigs just go back outside and lie in their own filth.
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Re: is walmart anti american
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What exactly *is* "hogwash"?
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Nov 12, 2007 2:35 PM
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> > > > Blame unions, not retailers. Unions
> are
> > run by
> > > > organized crime, and they couldn't
> care
> > less.
> > >
> > > All Unions? Teachers unions? AFSCME? or
> are
> > you
> > > still believing the stereotypes and
> movies?
> >
> > Don't get me started on the teachers union. I
> do lay
> > all blame on them for protecting incompetent
> > teachers.
>
> Really? Have you ever worked in education? It's a
> little different that working at the local factory.
> (OH wait there is no more local factory) But when
> there was, you had what? a 90 day probation period?
> In education you have three years that you can be
> e fired for no cause whatsoever. Principal didn't
> like the tie you wore that day, CYA! So don't you
> think after walking on eggshells for 3 years that a
> teacher ought to have a little protection and be able
> to concentrate on their job fully?
>
Hogwash. They should be held accountable just like any other worker in the world. They better damn well walk on eggshells. They should also be paid more, but they should never be given immunity.
> And the one aspect of "incompetent teachers" that no
> one ever mentions? Incompetent parents
Preaching to the choir on this one.
> and incompetent children.
I don't believe this.
> > > must
> > > > strive to teach our children better.
> > >
> > > How many computer geeks do we need?
> >
> > More and more and more, until they're not
> called
> > geeks anymore. This is like asking how many
> people
> > need to know how to read.
>
> Not what I meant. How many techs dio we need and how
> many of those geek jobs are done in India?
I am totally against H1B jobs and outsourcing, but it is a sad fact that there are not enough geeks to pound out code. I deal with prima-donna programmers all the time. They can afford to act that way because they don't have enough competition in the office.
> Not many
> Americans working over there. But if you're cool
> with, as you seem to be after all they're not union
> over there.
White collar workers generally don't deal with unions.
>
>
> >
> > > Service meaning
> > > "you want fries with that?",
> >
> > No. Actually since every aspect of your life
> > involves a computer, one might even say that
> computer
> > programmers are service jobs.
>
>
> Not my life. I have as little to do with computers
> as possible. Current use included. But I see what
> you mean about modern life and technology. and it is
> not a good thing. I'm an analog man living in a
> digital world.
I too long for a simpler day, such as not being leashed to a cell phone, unfortunately I like things like my DVRs and these HBO boards.
>
> >
> > > oh that's a life goal!
> > > Does the fact that our trade imbalance is
> so
> > great
> > > t our foreign debt so great, due partly to
> that
> > > imbalance. We are on a time bomb
> economically
> > spaking
> > > and everyone is just whistling past the
> > graveyard.
> > >
> > > --
> > > XXX
> >
> > Our trade imbalance is shameful. There is not
> doubt
> > about that. But I'm really not sure why people
> think
> > this is new information. Back in the day when I
> used
> > to walk to school up hill both ways, it was all
> about
> > "made in Japan."
>
> Me too, only then the joke was that "Made in Japan"
> meant that it was POS. but they changed that. and
> d in the course of bigger profit and fuck the
> american worker the manufacturing has decreased to a
> little over 18% of jobs when they were upwards of
> 68%. But hey the unions have been screwed and who
> else has been screwed? Why the American worker
Yes, screwed by the unions that were being paid protection money by their members.
>, not
> everyone has the acumen to be techy.
And to this I say humbug. You'ld be surprised at just how easy techy stuff is. Most people are brainwashed early in life to think that you need a math degree to understand this stuff, and that is just not true. I'm living proof of this.
> and the
> American consumer, like all those GHB kids, and lead
> paint kids and antifreeze toothpaste people.
>
> But hey that's free market economics isn't it. caveat
> emptor
I hold the manufacturer responsible for not inspecting their factories. American factories are not immune to mistakes, just look at all the food recalls lately.
>
> --
> XXX
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> > > Blame unions, not retailers. Unions are
> run by
> > > organized crime, and they couldn't care
> less.
> >
> > All Unions? Teachers unions? AFSCME? or are
> you
> > still believing the stereotypes and movies?
>
> Don't get me started on the teachers union. I do lay
> all blame on them for protecting incompetent
> teachers.
Really? Have you ever worked in education? It's a little different that working at the local factory. (OH wait there is no more local factory) But when there was, you had what? a 90 day probation period? In education you have three years that you can be fired for no cause whatsoever. Principal didn't like the tie you wore that day, CYA! So don't you think after walking on eggshells for 3 years that a teacher ought to have a little protection and be able to concentrate on their job fully?
And the one aspect of "incompetent teachers" that no one ever mentions? Incompetent parents and incompetent children.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And that is not even considering the
> > national
> > > > security issues with not having a
> homeland
> > > based
> > > > manufacturing base.
> > >
> > > I've said before, I am all on board with
> > > manufacturing for homeland security
> reasons.
> > This
> > > would include automobiles, steel, energy,
> > munitions
> > > and the like. It does not include plastic
> toys
> > and
> > > toasters.
> >
> > It does when those plastic toys become plastic
> parts
> > in military equipment. Or small electrical
> gadgetry
> > that is made by........the next country we're
> > fighting!
> >
> > >
> > > America is a technology and service
> industry
> > oriented
> > > country. Good, bad or indifferent, that's
> the
> > way it
> > > is. I find more problems with the fact
> that
> > our
> > > schools are failing to keep our children at
> the
> > > forefront of math, science, medicine and
> > technology
> > > than I do with our economy dealing with
> low
> > paid
> > > workers working at a manufacturing station
> > putting
> > > heads on dolls. China can have those jobs,
> we
> > must
> > > strive to teach our children better.
> >
> > How many computer geeks do we need?
>
> More and more and more, until they're not called
> geeks anymore. This is like asking how many people
> need to know how to read.
Not what I meant. How many techs dio we need and how many of those geek jobs are done in India? Not many Americans working over there. But if you're cool with, as you seem to be after all they're not union over there.
>
> > Service meaning
> > "you want fries with that?",
>
> No. Actually since every aspect of your life
> involves a computer, one might even say that computer
> programmers are service jobs.
Not my life. I have as little to do with computers as possible. Current use included. But I see what you mean about modern life and technology. and it is not a good thing. I'm an analog man living in a digital world.
>
> > oh that's a life goal!
> > Does the fact that our trade imbalance is so
> great
> > t our foreign debt so great, due partly to that
> > imbalance. We are on a time bomb economically
> spaking
> > and everyone is just whistling past the
> graveyard.
> >
> > --
> > XXX
>
> Our trade imbalance is shameful. There is not doubt
> about that. But I'm really not sure why people think
> this is new information. Back in the day when I used
> to walk to school up hill both ways, it was all about
> "made in Japan."
Me too, only then the joke was that "Made in Japan" meant that it was POS. but they changed that. and in the course of bigger profit and fuck the american worker the manufacturing has decreased to a little over 18% of jobs when they were upwards of 68%. But hey the unions have been screwed and who else has been screwed? Why the American worker, not everyone has the acumen to be techy. and the American consumer, like all those GHB kids, and lead paint kids and antifreeze toothpaste people.
But hey that's free market economics isn't it. caveat emptor
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Re: is walmart anti american
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> not all jobs walmart shut down were union .a lot of
> non union jobs down south .they closed a lot of small
> textile mills ,and small goods shops .they couldn't
> keep up with epa and gmp rules .and keep prices low
> for walmart.and that's why we have poison coming over
> here from china.
That's unfortunate that they could not create safe products that don't damage the environment unless they charged too much for their products. 
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not all jobs walmart shut down were union .a lot of non union jobs down south .they closed a lot of small textile mills ,and small goods shops .they couldn't keep up with epa and gmp rules .and keep prices low for walmart.and that's why we have poison coming over here from china.
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> I couldnt find the original article i had read - the
> one i read stated that snapper didnt want to be
> associated with discounted products. They felt their
> mowers were priced their worth & didnt want the
> public to think that their products were cheaply made
> & cheaply priced. So they pulled their product from
> Wally World. It also said they were worried that
> Walmart would ruin their repuation as a result of
> cheap prices.
Yes, that was the part I applauded, specifically the part about maintaining an image of quality. But being as familiar as I am with manufacturing, I understood what else was being said in the article.
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> > > True Wal-Mart
> > > does not manufactuer. But they determine
> which
> > > manufacturers survive or not. Exactly
> because
> > of
> > > their buying power.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Edited by Kanadesaga at 11/11/2007 9:41 PM
> >
> >
> > Not necessarily so....
> > > http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.h
>
> > tml" target="_blank">Snapper told Wally World to KTA
> >
>
> I'm not sure if you read this article all the way to
> the last sentence.
>
> While I applaud Wier's stance on maintaining quality,
> I'm not sure if his story is one that will pull at
> the heart strings of middle America. Notice that the
> article states that he has reduced his human staff by
> half and replaced those people by robots. (his main
> production line is manned by only 28 people) Also
> notice that it has stopped using a distribution
> network. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with
> this at all, in fact, it's damn good business to
> minimize your expenses and overhead, but isn't this
> exactly the kind of thing that people recklessly
> blame Walmart for? You know, lost jobs.
>
> He sold the biz in 2005, to Briggs and Stratton.
> And I think you'll find that B&S have their engines
> s on virtually every lawn mower in the country. I
> guess if you're going to sell out you might as well
> sell out to the devil you know rather than to a devil
> you don't know.
I couldnt find the original article i had read - the one i read stated that snapper didnt want to be associated with discounted products. They felt their mowers were priced their worth & didnt want the public to think that their products were cheaply made & cheaply priced. So they pulled their product from Wally World. It also said they were worried that Walmart would ruin their repuation as a result of cheap prices.
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> > True Wal-Mart
> > does not manufactuer. But they determine which
> > manufacturers survive or not. Exactly because
> of
> > their buying power.
> >
> > --
> > Edited by Kanadesaga at 11/11/2007 9:41 PM
>
>
> Not necessarily so....
> Snapper told Wally World to KTA
>
I'm not sure if you read this article all the way to the last sentence.
While I applaud Wier's stance on maintaining quality, I'm not sure if his story is one that will pull at the heart strings of middle America. Notice that the article states that he has reduced his human staff by half and replaced those people by robots. (his main production line is manned by only 28 people) Also notice that it has stopped using a distribution network. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this at all, in fact, it's damn good business to minimize your expenses and overhead, but isn't this exactly the kind of thing that people recklessly blame Walmart for? You know, lost jobs.
He sold the biz in 2005, to Briggs and Stratton. And I think you'll find that B&S have their engines on virtually every lawn mower in the country. I guess if you're going to sell out you might as well sell out to the devil you know rather than to a devil you don't know.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:28 PM
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> > Blame unions, not retailers. Unions are run by
> > organized crime, and they couldn't care less.
>
> All Unions? Teachers unions? AFSCME? or are you
> still believing the stereotypes and movies?
Don't get me started on the teachers union. I do lay all blame on them for protecting incompetent teachers.
>
> >
> > >
> > > And that is not even considering the
> national
> > > security issues with not having a homeland
> > based
> > > manufacturing base.
> >
> > I've said before, I am all on board with
> > manufacturing for homeland security reasons.
> This
> > would include automobiles, steel, energy,
> munitions
> > and the like. It does not include plastic toys
> and
> > toasters.
>
> It does when those plastic toys become plastic parts
> in military equipment. Or small electrical gadgetry
> that is made by........the next country we're
> fighting!
>
> >
> > America is a technology and service industry
> oriented
> > country. Good, bad or indifferent, that's the
> way it
> > is. I find more problems with the fact that
> our
> > schools are failing to keep our children at the
> > forefront of math, science, medicine and
> technology
> > than I do with our economy dealing with low
> paid
> > workers working at a manufacturing station
> putting
> > heads on dolls. China can have those jobs, we
> must
> > strive to teach our children better.
>
> How many computer geeks do we need?
More and more and more, until they're not called geeks anymore. This is like asking how many people need to know how to read.
> Service meaning
> "you want fries with that?",
No. Actually since every aspect of your life involves a computer, one might even say that computer programmers are service jobs.
> oh that's a life goal!
> Does the fact that our trade imbalance is so great
> t our foreign debt so great, due partly to that
> imbalance. We are on a time bomb economically spaking
> and everyone is just whistling past the graveyard.
>
> --
> XXX
Our trade imbalance is shameful. There is not doubt about that. But I'm really not sure why people think this is new information. Back in the day when I used to walk to school up hill both ways, it was all about "made in Japan."
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> True Wal-Mart
> does not manufactuer. But they determine which
> manufacturers survive or not. Exactly because of
> their buying power.
>
> --
> Edited by Kanadesaga at 11/11/2007 9:41 PM
Not necessarily so....
Snapper told Wally World to KTA
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> > actually, guest youi are missing the pont here.
> and
> > I have stated it a couilple of times. True
> Wal-Mart
> > does not manufactuer. But they determine which
> > manufacturers survive or not. Exactly because
> of
> > their buying power.
>
> So? If one company can't afford to make Chutes and
> Ladders, another one will. It's competition.
But it's an unfair competition. That is the point. And if you say life is unfair then you have Darwinsitic view and all that gets is monopoly and you paying whatever the monopolist what's.
>
> >
> > Do you understand how many millions of American
> > workers in manufacturering have lost their
> jobs.
>
> OK, once again, Walmart employs 1.2 Million
> Americans. They have employed more workers than you
> blame for displacement. And they have done it at
> better wages and benefits than union shop retailers.
> I've already posted the average wages for different
> t parts of the country.
Yes, I saw those full-time wages. And I think America has lost considerably more than 1.2 million jobs. I'm not sure of the numbers, it may take some research, but, what if, by buying so much chinese made crap that Wal-Mart put 5 million american workers out of work. Just if, would you still feel the same about the fucking smily yellow face?
>
> > Many whose competition was in China and lost
> > t contracts to Chinese companies that use slave
> > labor, shoddy materials, and unfairly gov't
> > subsidized bids to win thiose contracts, which
> in
> > turn forced American companies out of business
> and
> > unemployed Americans.
>
> Blame unions, not retailers. Unions are run by
> organized crime, and they couldn't care less.
All Unions? Teachers unions? AFSCME? or are you still believing the stereotypes and movies?
>
> >
> > And that is not even considering the national
> > security issues with not having a homeland
> based
> > manufacturing base.
>
> I've said before, I am all on board with
> manufacturing for homeland security reasons. This
> would include automobiles, steel, energy, munitions
> and the like. It does not include plastic toys and
> toasters.
It does when those plastic toys become plastic parts in military equipment. Or small electrical gadgetry that is made by........the next country we're fighting!
>
> America is a technology and service industry oriented
> country. Good, bad or indifferent, that's the way it
> is. I find more problems with the fact that our
> schools are failing to keep our children at the
> forefront of math, science, medicine and technology
> than I do with our economy dealing with low paid
> workers working at a manufacturing station putting
> heads on dolls. China can have those jobs, we must
> strive to teach our children better.
How many computer geeks do we need? Service meaning "you want fries with that?", oh that's a life goal! Does the fact that our trade imbalance is so great our foreign debt so great, due partly to that imbalance. We are on a time bomb economically spaking and everyone is just whistling past the graveyard.
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