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it was not to long ago, that sam walton said everything he sold was american.he was sure proud of that .wonder if he knows that ,90% they sell now is from overseas.do you think this is good ,or bad for america.im a union member ,and i seen lots of jobs being lost to walmart .low price- lower wage .
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Re: is walmart anti american
Nov 12, 2007 12:56 AM
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Ok, guys, tomorrow's another day. It's been fun. Good Night.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:53 AM
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> actually, guest youi are missing the pont here. and
> I have stated it a couilple of times. True Wal-Mart
> does not manufactuer. But they determine which
> manufacturers survive or not. Exactly because of
> their buying power.
So? If one company can't afford to make Chutes and Ladders, another one will. It's competition.
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> Do you understand how many millions of American
> workers in manufacturering have lost their jobs.
OK, once again, Walmart employs 1.2 Million Americans. They have employed more workers than you blame for displacement. And they have done it at better wages and benefits than union shop retailers. I've already posted the average wages for different parts of the country.
> Many whose competition was in China and lost
> t contracts to Chinese companies that use slave
> labor, shoddy materials, and unfairly gov't
> subsidized bids to win thiose contracts, which in
> turn forced American companies out of business and
> unemployed Americans.
Blame unions, not retailers. Unions are run by organized crime, and they couldn't care less.
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> And that is not even considering the national
> security issues with not having a homeland based
> manufacturing base.
I've said before, I am all on board with manufacturing for homeland security reasons. This would include automobiles, steel, energy, munitions and the like. It does not include plastic toys and toasters.
America is a technology and service industry oriented country. Good, bad or indifferent, that's the way it is. I find more problems with the fact that our schools are failing to keep our children at the forefront of math, science, medicine and technology than I do with our economy dealing with low paid workers working at a manufacturing station putting heads on dolls. China can have those jobs, we must strive to teach our children better.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:42 AM
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He was created as a joke! But I like the name too much to let it go!
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Nov 12, 2007 12:41 AM
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> Oops I had both memberships up at the same time
> again. I am Laughitupfuzzball. Most people know that,
> but in case you didn't.
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> Edited by MarkMiller at 11/11/2007 9:37 PM
Yes Mark, I knew it was you. And I think that since you bring up your alter ego only when it's funny is perfect.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:39 AM
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how Wal-Mart has effected
> manufactures with their outrageous demands. They
> drove Rubbermaid out of business by demanding
> unreasonable prices while rubber was at a premium.
Vlasic Pickles had to go for Chapter protection too. If they go after Walmart, it ought to be for this stuff.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:38 AM
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actually, guest you are missing the point here. and I have stated it a couple of times. True Wal-Mart does not manufactuer. But they determine which manufacturers survive or not. Exactly because of their buying power.
Do you understand how many millions of American workers in manufacturering have lost their jobs. Many whose competition was in China and lost contracts to Chinese companies that use slave labor, shoddy materials, and unfairly gov't subsidized bids to win thiose contracts, which in turn forced American companies out of business and unemployed Americans.
And that is not even considering the national security issues with not having a homeland based manufacturing base.
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Oops I had both memberships up at the same time again. I am Laughitupfuzzball. Most people know that, but in case you didn't.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:34 AM
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> Actually, Mark, I think this has been very civil.
> There has been absolutely no name calling, and I for
> r one am very glad for that.
OK...I thought you were getting pissed. Any way back to my question about Push vs Pull Manufcturing. Do you know about that and how Wal-Mart has effected manufactures with their outrageous demands. They drove Rubbermaid out of business by demanding unreasonable prices while rubber was at a premium.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:30 AM
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> > Wal-Mart is not to blame. Do not blame the
> retailer.
> > They do not manufacture a damn thing.
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> Dude....chill this isn't a flame war, it's a civil
> debat. Anyway, Wal-Mart IS to blame. Do you
> understand about push vs pull manufacturing?
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Actually, Mark, I think this has been very civil. There has been absolutely no name calling, and I for one am very glad for that.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:29 AM
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> Exclusive sales is nothing new However, today
> Wal-Mart makes the demands and does take action if
> they are not met.
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Action?
Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the country (world?). What they demand are the best wholesale prices. Why is that so unconscionable? A manufacturer who wants to deal with the largest retailer has to get in line or not have their products sold through the largest retailer.
They are also the employer of 1.2 MILLION tax-paying Americans.
It would be a completely different thing if they did not pass on the savings to the consumer, but they do.
The only thing Wal-Mart is doing is demanding the best price, and isn't that what any respectable retailer would do? It is up to the manufacturer to meet the demands of their best customer. (again, just like any respectable business would do.)
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Nov 12, 2007 12:19 AM
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Exclusive sales is nothing new However, today Wal-Mart makes the demands and does take action if they are not met.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:17 AM
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> Wal-Mart is not to blame. Do not blame the retailer.
> They do not manufacture a damn thing.
Dude....chill this isn't a flame war, it's a civil debat. Anyway, Wal-Mart IS to blame. Do you understand about push vs pull manufacturing?
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Nov 12, 2007 12:13 AM
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> Editorial - NYT
> A Big Box of Eagles
> Published: November 11, 2007
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> The new Eagles album ? ?Long Road Out of Eden?? came
> out recently, but only at Wal-Mart. ....
> Have the Eagles sold out? Mr. Henley says that by
> doing business with Wal-Mart, he has more influence
> and easier access to the company?s executives,
> including the ones responsible for trying to make the
> company more environmentally conscious. His argument
> is almost certainly bolstered by the strong sales of
> ?Long Road Out of Eden.?
Fuck yeah the Eagle sold out. They sold out so many years ago when they started the trend of $250 tickets. Fuck Don Henley. And I'm even more disappointed that Joe Walsh went along with it.
But as far as records are concerned, The Rolling Stones sold out first to the big box stores when they sold their live DVD and CD exclusively at Best Buy.
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Nov 12, 2007 12:08 AM
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Editorial - NYT
A Big Box of Eagles
Published: November 11, 2007
The new Eagles album ? ?Long Road Out of Eden?? came out recently, but only at Wal-Mart. One of the points the Eagles may be making is that you have to consider your allegiances in the world of the present, not the past. A few years ago, any link between Wal-Mart and Don Henley, an ardent environmentalist, would have seemed puzzling at best. But there is a simple equation here. This new album was released without the participation of a major record label. This isn?t just a case of selling exclusively in the Big Box. It?s a case of giving up Big Vinyl and its distribution.
Mr. Henley has also explained this decision in terms of demographics. The Eagles may have the best-selling album ever, but Mr. Henley is 60, and most of the band?s fans are either closing in on that birthday or receding from it. There is no doubt that Wal-Mart is doing a good job of getting the CD into the hands of buyers. After all, it sold 710,000 copies in its first week, the second strongest debut of the year so far. The details have not been made public, but it is safe to say that the band is getting far more money per CD than it would have if the album had been released by a major label.
The music industry is undergoing a series of tectonic shifts, something that is beautifully illustrated by the marketing of ?Long Road Out of Eden.? But it is also reflected in the decision by Billboard, the music trade magazine, to begin listing on its sales charts records sold exclusively through a single source, something it never used to do. And the No. 1 record? ?Long Road Out of Eden.? This is both a recognition of Wal-Mart?s importance in music sales and a sensible effort to keep the Billboard charts from becoming irrelevant.
Have the Eagles sold out? Mr. Henley says that by doing business with Wal-Mart, he has more influence and easier access to the company?s executives, including the ones responsible for trying to make the company more environmentally conscious. His argument is almost certainly bolstered by the strong sales of ?Long Road Out of Eden.?
We hope, with him, that he has the influence he suggests, otherwise this arrangement may well turn out to be nothing more than a long road to Wal-Mart.
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Re: is walmart anti american
Nov 11, 2007 11:24 PM
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> > Unfortunately that is simply NOT true and if you
> > took the time to actually look at many of the
> > products they sell you would see the disclaimers
> on
> > the products that state very clearly that
> "Licensed
> > under Wal-Mart, Bentonville Ark." such as my GE
> > Roaster Oven sold for $25 dollars exclusively at
> > Wal-Mart. Same with many, many other products from
> > Silk flowers in the Fabric and crafts division to
> the
> > towels in the Housewares division.
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> Silk Flowers? That's it?
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> Are you just going to ignore the rest of what I wrote
> there?
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No, I didn't. You implied that Wal-Mart has a handful of products that they contracted out for their own specifications. I basically said "so what, Wal-Mart is a day late and a dollar short." I pointed out that Target has been doing this for at least 5 years, starting with the designer Mossimo. And that currently they have well known designers creating products for homewares and furnishings.
And I further said that Wal-Mart is WAY behind this trend.
I will now elaborate: Designers affiliated with Target,
Issac Mizrahi, Mossimo, Liz Lange, Sonia Kashuk, Thomas O'Brien, Rachel Ashwell, Sean Conway, Amy Coe, Michael Graves, Victoria Hagan, Isabelle de Borchgrave.
I also stated that I have absolutely no doubts that virtually all of Targets products are made in China.
My whole point is that people are so fixated on Wal-Mart that they ignore the fact that every single other retailer has the exact same practices, but they simply don't have the buying power to offer the same products for lower prices.
Wal-Mart is not to blame. Do not blame the retailer. They do not manufacture a damn thing.
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