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The inauguration scene was pure cinematic magic and power. How many people today get so excited for an inauguration? The joy in Adams' face (and Washington's, though much more subdued) is something I have not seen on film in a long time. What a powerful, and timely moment for Americans to watch and learn from!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 21, 2008 7:11 PM
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I may have been emotional at the get go for I did not relish a series so wonderful coming to an end. That said, I felt there were many a lump in the throat moments in the culmination episode, whatever emotion causing the lump.
Here are a few of mine:
- It would have been difficult to swallow the reading of the article of a friend bashing you, especially after you've retired as best you can, to life outside of politics.
- It would have been something, I don't know which emotion or how many emotions to enumerate, to perceive oneself as insignificant in the very causes you brought to the forefront.
- It is beyond words to imagine the helplessness in facing an affliction, an illness, a trouble - whatever it might be - involving your child and to have had to face helplessness more than once.
- It is beyond description to face and endure the loss of your most intimate friend. This is not a "would be" or an "imagination" for me. It is what I have lived and I feel HBO, et al portrayed or "did it" fairly well.
- I cannot conceive of the experience of one's offspring reaching such a pinnacle. The hope, the dream, and the work of it is unfathomable, much less the achievement. I know my pride in my son and I can tell you, it is beyond description. In a time such as the 19th century, I cannot imagine JA's for JQA's. Whoa, Nelly!!!
- To find it within oneself to put aside animosity and feelings of a weightier degree to rekindle a friendship/kinship is awe inspiring --- especially when one you love as no other had not reconciled the grievances.
- For JA and TJ to die within minutes/hours apart - well, no author, screenwriter, playwriter could dream of such, not in their wildest.
Oh my. I almost needed a cigarette!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 21, 2008 1:42 PM
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An amazing job by Linney! I felt as if I was actually there at her bedside. Giamatti was equally phenomenal. The chemistry between them really worked marvelously.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 21, 2008 1:33 PM
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> I think the last episode can top the George
> Washington lump-in-the-throat moment....
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> Abigail's passing had me in tears.
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> You are the proud owner of 150 pieces of paper!
You were not alone. I was in tears too.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 21, 2008 11:46 AM
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I think the last episode can top the George Washington lump-in-the-throat moment....
Abigail's passing had me in tears.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 21, 2008 11:44 AM
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> Because of the foundation of freedoms these men built
> women have as much or more right in the USA to do
> what they want to do as anywhere in the world.
Seems to me you stepped right into that hole you felt compelled to point out--the one that didn't exist until you created it. Your response was incredibly patronizing. I don't think anyone here, male or female, is unaware of U.S. history in regards to women and other minorities, and I think we'd all have to be blind and stupid not to be aware of the lack of current freedoms for women in other places in the world. DUH!
But if the foundation of freedoms these men built led to women's rights, then why New Zealand give the the vote in 1893? Why did women get the vote in Australia in 1902? Long before the Founding Fathers were even born, Cherokee women were equal to men in council, which I bring up to point out that rights for women was not some modern idea requiring the founding fathers to exist. Nor does any modern woman owe the founding fathers a debt of gratitude for their rights, any more than blacks owe the founding fathers gratitude for their current rights.
All of which is irrelevant to the thread. But you should know that your comment reeks of someone pissing on others while telling them that it's rain. "Hey ladies, why are you hating on the history of U.S.? Never mind that women in the U.S. had to march and go on hunger strikes and get stoned and jailed and mocked for 70-odd years to gain the right to vote and participate in the government that ruled their lives, you've got more freedoms than other people in the world and you can thank our founding fathers for that!"
Uh-huh. Tell me another one. On second thought, don't. You're in that hole deep enough as it is.
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Edited by Thirteen31 at 04/21/2008 10:35 AM PDT
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 9, 2008 6:29 PM
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So true, it was amazing...I expect Emmy's to be doled out in plenty for this excellent effort!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 8, 2008 12:23 AM
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You're probably right Danye. Either way it was incredible!!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 7, 2008 7:06 PM
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Did he say finally? I saw that episode some 5 times already, and I was certain he said " A FINE day... a FINE day..."
which was tear inducing for me...
I LOVE this series!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 6, 2008 4:51 PM
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Yes, a truly spellbinding scene with Giamatti! I just got a glimpse of it with the volume muted the first time and couldn't figure out why he was kissing the man's hand but when I saw the whole thing later I was held spellbound and speechless. Finally! FINALLY!!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 6, 2008 4:40 PM
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I think I've had a lump in my throat at the end of most of the installments so far. But one that stands out is when Adams, unwell and thousands of miles away in Europe, is told of the British army's surrender in America. He is overcome. He just looks so stupefied, almost uncomprehending, torn between rejoining and tears, that it made me feel the immensity of that news and the gratitude/relief/joy and pride he must have felt. I almost cried outright when he kissed the hand of the man who told him the news.
Oh, Giamatti was so right for this.
I'm a woman, and I have no problem with the state of women's rights at the time of this country's beginnings. Independence would have been my priority, too.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 4, 2008 12:51 PM
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Washington was a humble man. He faced tremendous adversity in his youth and was actually of humble means after his father died very young. He inherited most of his money when by a stroke of luck he met Martha who was the recent widow of one of the richest men in Virginia who was much older than she. Washington was a self made man to a degree because he acquired a lot of land in his surveying business but his marriage to the young widow put him in the same league as the rich and powerful. Lucky for us too!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 4, 2008 9:18 AM
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> The faint voice of Washington repeating his oath
> was very moving while the people strained to listen.
> Also, his adding the words ,"so help me God" was very
> warming.
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> As moving as it was...I still laughed how so very
> humble yet so quiet when he repeated the oath. Did
> you see how congress all leaned forward at the same
> time to hear him....lol.
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> I'm just curious, did that really happen? I know it
> sounds like a stupid/ignorant question. I wasn't
> sure if it was something they threw into the movie or
> it really happened.
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> I think it was the best part of the movie!!! It was
> a humble experience!
It is not a stupid or ignorant question.
It is a well known fact that when Washington read his address to the joint Congress - just after the oath of office - he "...slowly, almost inaudibly, read an address of only seven paragrahphs." The oath was almost certain to be the same as Washington usually spoke quite softly when addressing large groups. It is noted that John Adams was "...as nervous and trembling so badly that he spoke only with difficulty." Both quotes can be found in: John Adams - A Life, by John Ferling.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 4, 2008 2:16 AM
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The faint voice of Washington repeating his oath was very moving while the people strained to listen. Also, his adding the words ,"so help me God" was very warming.
As moving as it was...I still laughed how so very humble yet so quiet when he repeated the oath. Did you see how congress all leaned forward at the same time to hear him....lol.
I'm just curious, did that really happen? I know it sounds like a stupid/ignorant question. I wasn't sure if it was something they threw into the movie or it really happened.
I think it was the best part of the movie!!! It was a humble experience!
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 4, 2008 12:57 AM
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India, Japan, Korea, and Mexico for starters. Women are treated terribly in all of those major countries.
Abigal Adams became a trader in financial instruments against the wishes of her husband. She got more involved in finances as time went on. I have no doubt that was true of many older women then.
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Re: Lump in Throat Moment
Apr 3, 2008 8:33 PM
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>>I've see it firsthand all over the world.<<
I sure would like to know where, but if you want to keep mum, that's your right.
>> Most women, or men for that matter, have no idea how the freedoms they have were created. <<
I assume you are speaking of Americans here? If so, I think I would agree with your statement, except I would change the word "most" to "the majority". Apologies to TJ.
>>Many women, like Abigail, were long suffering partners of the new venture.<<
Not sure that I agree with that statement, either, but as neither of us was around at that time to verify it, I'll respect your right to post it.
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