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An intimate drama of love and betrayal, masters and slaves, and husbands and wives, ROME chronicles epic times that saw the fall of a Republic and the creation of an empire when it debuts Sunday, August 28 (9:00 - 10:00pm ET/PT, exclusively on HBO.
Discuss your thoughts on the upcoming show here.
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Sep 19, 2005 10:51 PM
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I'm sure it's been said a million times before, and I apologize for the obsequious fan fervor and abuse of capital letters but...
THIS SHOW KICKS ASS!!!!!
Seriously, this has been the most well produced mini-series since Band of Brothers. I've been getting all of my friends and family to watch.. or if they don't have HBO to be bitterly envious that I get to find out what happens next :P
What a treat to an avid fan of both the History Channel and Movie Dramas! My hat's off to all the creators. It truly raises the bar for all shows on television.
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Sep 19, 2005 9:45 PM
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Who gives a crap about Caesar or anything else about this show. It has as much appeal as watching the History channel for the 100th time.
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Sep 19, 2005 7:41 PM
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> Wasn't Caesar's epilepsy generally known among his
> peers? I just don't remember it as being treated as
> a dirty secret.
Well, it was most likely commonly known, but all the same it would be in Caesar's interests to have the actual number of incidents at a low level, just enough to suggest he was touched by the gods (epileptic seizure) and not actually have an affliction, which would compromise his leadership.
> Varenus is a superior man in many ways but, the
> writers seem to be saying, his orthodox beliefs and
> idealistic patriotism are a hindrance to him. In
> post-modern HBOlogy, the good guys are not
> necessarily winners.
Yes. The concept of the good guys not necessarily winning I would say is an important general message for these times.
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"Men willingly believe what they wish." -Julius Caesar
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Sep 19, 2005 5:36 PM
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Bravo, Medeaschild on Atia and Antony.
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Sep 19, 2005 4:15 PM
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whats the URL?
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Sep 19, 2005 2:07 PM
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The TWoP site is putting this forum to shame. To all who have not cruised on by, I'd suggest doing so if you want insights into the series as it is evolving.
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Sep 19, 2005 1:13 PM
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All in all, I enjoyed last night's episode. I thought the contrast of the two dinner parties was an interesting device:
1. Both men, Caesar and Vorenus, hosting dinner parties for the same purpose of self-interest (what's changed?).
2. Neither having much in common with their guests.
3. One seriously devoted to religion, the other using it cynically for his own purposes.
4. Each man part of a sexual triumvirate, one intentionally and the other unknowingly.
5. Each has someone outside the threesome who knows the score (Atia and Pullo) and we are left wondering how/if they will use this information. Because both characters are somewhat sterotypically conceived (Atia the scheming seductress and Pullo the virtuous-underneath-it-all brute)one will no doubt use the information as a weapon and the other won't.
It's interesting as well how Pullo is to Varenus as Antony is to Caesar. Both Pullo and Antony are sort of impetuous pupils of their more experienced counterparts. As with his domestic situation, however, Varenus doesn't have a clue about the nature of his relationship with Pullo whereas Caesar is well aware of his manipulative/educative function vis-a-vis Antony.
Point of historical reference:
Wasn't Caesar's epilepsy generally known among his peers? I just don't remember it as being treated as a dirty secret.
It was cool seeing lil' Quintus getting bitch-slapped in Varenus' house. It'll be interesting to see if that character is resurected in future episodes.
This week's episode was a good one. I hope this arc continues.
Varenus is a superior man in many ways but, the writers seem to be saying, his orthodox beliefs and idealistic patriotism are a hindrance to him. In post-modern HBOlogy, the good guys are not necessarily winners.
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Sep 19, 2005 3:11 AM
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> Vercingetorix surrendered at Alesia in the summer of
> 51BC. He was publicly beheaded in 46BC as part of
> Caesar's triumph.
Not beheaded; he was strangled in the dungeons (the fate of captives paraded in triumphs).
Romans didn't usually behead their enemies--they strangled them in the dungeons, crucified them or beat them to death with rods (or killed them on the battlefield).
> how accurate is Mark Antony bedding with Octavian's
> mom?
> didnt he marry Octavius after he came back from Egypt
> leaving Cleopatra?
He did marry Octavia, as part of an alliance with Octavian after Julius Caesar's death.
As has been noted by popularlibrary, Atia's depiction is completely ahistorical--she doesn't seem to have been a schemer in real life. I doubt that Antony would have been bedding her--she was Caesar's relative, and he wouldn't have approved.
Medea's Child
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Sep 18, 2005 11:47 PM
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> Covered extensively, but the conception happens prior
> to anything we see. The baby is listed on this site
> as the bastard son of Niobe and Evander, her
> brother-in-law.
Well, well. Lil' Lucius Holyfield!
Dayum! Evander sure do get around, you know what I'm sayin'?
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Sep 18, 2005 9:06 PM
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> I apologize if I have missed something in an episode.
> I've read the replies to this post stating that Niobe
> slept with her sister's husband? I think I missed
> that episode. I wanted to point out that it is
> possible that the baby is her granddaughter and that
> Niobe could be breastfeeding it. There is something
> called induced lacatation where women who have not
> been pregnant can produce milk. It is not uncommon,
> adoptive mothers do it according to research I did
> through Google. In fact, in Roman times wealthier
> families engaged the services of a wet-nurse to
> breast feed their babies. Could this not be an
> explanation for Niobe breastfeeding the child? Just a
> thought.
Covered extensively, but the conception happens prior to anything we see. The baby is listed on this site as the bastard son of Niobe and Evander, her brother-in-law.
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Sep 18, 2005 8:11 PM
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Atia to Antony:
Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?
(Is that a scroll in your toga or are you just glad to see me?)
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Sep 18, 2005 6:25 PM
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Ave;
:p Atia Superbus!
Ave Atquae Vale
MLDrusus
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Sep 18, 2005 4:50 PM
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I apologize if I have missed something in an episode. I've read the replies to this post stating that Niobe slept with her sister's husband? I think I missed that episode. I wanted to point out that it is possible that the baby is her granddaughter and that Niobe could be breastfeeding it. There is something called induced lacatation where women who have not been pregnant can produce milk. It is not uncommon, adoptive mothers do it according to research I did through Google. In fact, in Roman times wealthier families engaged the services of a wet-nurse to breast feed their babies. Could this not be an explanation for Niobe breastfeeding the child? Just a thought.
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Sep 18, 2005 2:22 PM
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> > Speaking of crucifixion, I'd sure like to nail
> Atia!
> > (heh! heh!)
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> I guess they never crucified females?
Are you blonde?
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