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Atia turns the tables on Servilia; Octavian wins a battle; Vorenus learns of his children's fate. Discuss Rome, Testudo et Lepus, on the official boards
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 24, 2007 10:15 PM
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Hey. Yep, I am sure glad that Servilia is TOAST. GOOD. That old bag. SHe was NOT the "Love of Casear's life" She just got the biggest JEWEL of all his mistresses. (An ENORMOUS pearl). All she did was get rebuffed and then all Hell broke loose. Of course, she had nothing to DO with Caesar being murdered, and I was starting to think this was a ROMAN "DYNASTY". You know, Crystal and Alexis? Ugh!
Atia died when Octavian was 20. Octavian gets SUCH a bad rap and it makes me mad. He was Rome's best and first Emperor, and he had his faults, but he did a tremendous job and made so many GREAT changes in his 40+ years of ruling Rome. Can you imagine?
Aren't Titus and Vorenus supposed to be getting OLDER like everyone else? And what's with gorgeous Polly Walker (Atia)? BIG AS A HOUSE! No more nude scenes for her!
History tells us Octavia was "quite a woman" and not the dreary little mouse they make her out to be.
AND AS IF AGRIPPA WOULD EVER HAVE GONE AGAINST OCTAVIAN. They were THE BEST FRIENDS two humans could be for LIFE!
Too bad they didn't spend more time letting us know some really interesing history instead of..... WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT TIMON AND HIS IDIOT BROTHER THING ABOUT?
That was just STUPID. I didn't care. Not the right TIME for that bit!
Cleopatra didn't have short hair, by the way. She had gorgeous hair, it was her pride and joy. They DID wear wigs, but she didn't unless she had to.
Oh, and Servilia in the street? Didn't you read? People had two ways of dealing with Servilia's position after BRUTUS got his. Call on some powerful friends (she had none left) or do the SQUALOR thing, which is what she did, drawing attention to herself and then ATIA would look bad after a while. CURSE SCHMURSH.
I would have just thrown a bucket of you know what on her stupid face and had my thugs drag her away.
Hey, but that's me.
I'm just a girl!
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 24, 2007 4:09 PM
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BlueFacedGaul thinks Octavian tortoise.Antony is hare. Thinks this good image for them. Slow is better, wait for enemy to trip.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 5, 2007 10:36 AM
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I have seen that in mexico. I saw a monkey or some kind of primate rail this woman so it can happen. I warn ppl that it is a vile thing to see! Very interesting but vile! LOl i did laugh for ver hard and constent for like 6 hours! i dont think we stop laughing or joking about it for weeks and still to this day we joke and say we are going send eachothers wives to mexico. Horses to! I'd seen that.
) REMEMBER WHEN CASSUIS TOLD THE GREEK KING THAT
> WOMEN HAD SEX WITH BABOONS OUT OF PUNISHMENT? HOW
> COOL WOULD IT HAVE BEEN IF ATIA MADE A BABOON RAPE
> SERVILLA.
Yes, Cassius, as you may remember was in league with Brutus, who was also present. How likely was it that Cassius would suggest such a course ?
2)I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE OCTAVAIN EITHER KILL MARK
> ANTONY OR ATIA. I HATE THE WAY SHE LET HIM BEAT HER
> OWN SON.
Well, creative as the writers are, they are in some way not entirely free to spin this, historical facts etc. How can octavian just kill marc anthony before he even ends up with cleopatra, it would be silly, and ppl who have studied the history of rome would revolt. (i will not reveal the way marc anthony died, but i'm sure hbo will adhere to historical facts in this)
PLUS I
> DIDN'T LIKE HOW HE SAID NO DESCENT MAN WOULD MARRY A
> WHORE. IF HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANNOUNCED IT TO THE WHOLE
> WORLD THEY COULD HAVE KEEP IT A SECRET.
Having Vorenus keeping it a secret would be contrary to the nature of the character. What i like about this series is that the writers have tried to allow for Roman Moral & Ethics. They are not Christian, they have their own set of values. Vorenus is a very strict and honorable man. Him keeping a thing like that secret would be contrary to his honor. (as he clearly states).
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 5, 2007 10:33 AM
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> what about pullo's wife? She was a slave and is
> turning into a little bitch and treating the help
> like shit! She is not the least bit humble and is
> changing for the worse. What a bitch!gaia is a bitch
> too there is no way i can side with her either.
She is jealous and insecure. Those things make bitches out of a lot of humble women.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 5, 2007 10:29 AM
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what about pullo's wife? She was a slave and is turning into a little bitch and treating the help like shit! She is not the least bit humble and is changing for the worse. What a bitch!gaia is a bitch too there is no way i can side with her either.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 5, 2007 10:27 AM
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Whats up with gaia and pullo? Was that them having sex on broked glass and bleeding? That was hot! All the blood was a little too much for me. When i do it i dont do it on glass that is broken! wow. Do you think they will do it again?
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 5, 2007 2:16 AM
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> The writer's did not make her lose Marc Antony. It
> is a historical fact that Octavia married Antony, and
> Atia didn't. It can be said that the real Atia was
> much different than the character, and that in real
> life, she was not as scheming, vicious, or sexually
> promiscuous. . . . .
True . . . I think Atia's character (at least her personality) was based on Fulvia, Antony's wife during that time and that the writers did this to compress the story. Otherwise it would be way longer. Fulvia was a real firebrand who rode into battle, raised legions for Antony, and pierced the tongue of Cicero after he was killed (to punish him for what he did to her husband). She died just before Antony married Octavia. Polly Walker's Atia is just as I'd pictured her.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 11:33 PM
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Boy I am glad that Cervilia is dead. She was beginning to annoy the sh*t out of me! All of the drama between her and Atia started because of her affair with Caesar. I just wanted to scream out and say get over it bitch! I also can't wait for Marc Anthony's arrogant ass to get kicked.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 11:26 PM
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> "Yes, there's Octavia, and yes indeed Kerry Condon
> is
> > one absolutely lovely woman - although it's
> sometimes
> > hard to look at a woman with the map of Ireland
> all
> > over her face and think "Rome" but I don't mind -
> but
> > she's ditsy and weak. Otherwise, we're left with
> > Servilia and Atia, both of whom have become
> > detestable."
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> Until the Moors invaded Rome, many, if not a majority
> of all Romans citizens were fair. 827 AD was around
> the time of the Moors coming into Rome and Sicily.
> The Moors were black. Thus Naples still has many
> blond, blue eyed citizens, while we see their
> neighbors to the south being of a darker complexion.
> Octavia is accurately represented, in a general
> manner.
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> In fact, perhaps, due to it once being part of the
> Roman Empire,when you look at the faces of the Irish
> peoples of today, you are seeing a map of the face of
> ancient Rome.
I see you know your history. That is exactly why many Sicilians are not as pale as those to the North and have slightly different features. The Moors left their blood in parts of Italy and Spain.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 11:25 PM
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> . . Kerry Condon's Octavia is actually pretty close
> e to the busts I've seen of her.
I wouldn't mind getting pretty close to Kerry Condon's bust...
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 11:23 PM
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>I resent her spooking
> Atia--I am very fond of Atia, she is childish but not
> as evil as Servilia was, and now she is cursed.
> First, she lost Marc Antony. What will the writers do
> next to her?
The writer's did not make her lose Marc Antony. It is a historical fact that Octavia married Antony, and Atia didn't. It can be said that the real Atia was much different than the character, and that in real life, she was not as scheming, vicious, or sexually promiscuous. However, the writers have already done her a favor by allowing her to live longer than she did in real life. By the timeline, it should be about 42 BC in the show, and she died in 43 BC in real life. The writers take liberty with many things in this show, but major events, such as Octavia's marriage to Antony, the battle of Phillipi, Julius Caesar getting assassinated, etc. are not soap opera creations
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 11:01 PM
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Yes, this show has become "As Rome Turns" or some such soap, but I am enjoying it tremendously. It made me discover James Purefoy, to whom I hardly paid attention before, and introduced me to Ray S. and Kevin McK. I always loved Polly Walker (remember her in Enchanted April?)and Lindsay Duncan is a tremendous actor--I saw her in Traffik and Present Laughter on Broadway-- even though I hated Servilia and I am glad she is gone.I resent her spooking Atia--I am very fond of Atia, she is childish but not as evil as Servilia was, and now she is cursed. First, she lost Marc Antony. What will the writers do next to her? I also like Gaia --she is a female Marc Antony. Pulo wanted her from the moment he saw her and we cannot attach American middle class values to these characters, so his "betrayal" of the whiney Eirene doesn't bother me. In fact, his behavior is far more realistic, based on his character and his background, than if he had remained a faithful, obedient husband. Realizing, of course, that "realism" comes and goes in this heated fantasy soap.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 10:36 PM
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"Yes, there's Octavia, and yes indeed Kerry Condon is
> one absolutely lovely woman - although it's sometimes
> hard to look at a woman with the map of Ireland all
> over her face and think "Rome" but I don't mind - but
> she's ditsy and weak. Otherwise, we're left with
> Servilia and Atia, both of whom have become
> detestable."
Until the Moors invaded Rome, many, if not a majority of all Romans citizens were fair. 827 AD was around the time of the Moors coming into Rome and Sicily. The Moors were black. Thus Naples still has many blond, blue eyed citizens, while we see their neighbors to the south being of a darker complexion. Octavia is accurately represented, in a general manner.
In fact, perhaps, due to it once being part of the Roman Empire,when you look at the faces of the Irish peoples of today, you are seeing a map of the face of ancient Rome.
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Re: Testudo et Lepus (The Tortoise and the Hare)
Mar 4, 2007 10:15 PM
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Gaia is up to no good and with Pullo's temper, her days are numbered.
I was not surprised with Antony and Octavia's wedding. That is history. Agrippa will soon have his turn with Antony.
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