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Anointed People' Tribune by Caesar,Mark Antony returns to Rome with Octavian' liberators, Vorenus and Pullo. After being feted by a grateful Atia, Vorenus heads home to his family for the first time in eight years, while Pullo heads for the brothels. Shocked to see a husband she thought was dead, Vorenus'wife, Niobe, presents him with a family he barely recognizes. After the Senate rebuffs Caesar' "ompromise" for a heroic return to Rome, Antony learns that Pompey has drafted an ultimatum stripping the general of his power. With tempers on both sides reaching a boiling point, unfinished business involving Pullo spawns a Forum melee that all but ensures an unhappy outcome in the Pompey-Caesar standoff - and sends Pullo and an injured Vorenus back into Caesar's ranks.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 30, 2006 2:22 AM
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> Yes.
> A fact that is all too often forgotten,
> unfortunately.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 5:48 PM
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> She may have had some justification, but she should
> never have messed with her sisters husband.
I have wondered about this.
Niobe mentioned that she had been receiving support from her Sister's husband, when Vorenus's pay stopped.
Did Evander take advantage of this?
He had something to hold over Niobe...food for her children.
Evander professed his love for Niobe....even after Vorenus was back in town!
So it is not hard to imagine how persistent he could have been when he thought that Niobe was a widow.
And why didn't he leave Lyde, Niobe's sister?
Divorces were simple enough to obtain.
We were shown that with Octavia's divorce from Glabius.
So why didn't Evander divorce Lyde?
She had not given him any children.
Could Niobe have had a hand in Evander staying married to her sister?
She certainly cared about her sister.
Was this why Lyde had 'sworn' to keep quiet about the child?
> And whether justified or not, if it
> became known that Vorenus had been cockolded
> he would have been honor-bound to kill her
> and the illegitimate "get".
Hence, the motivation for Niobe to lie about it.
Ah....if only Vorenus had written home.
We know that he was literate.
> Remember, different time, different culture,
> different rules. Life was cheap.
Absolutely!
> Still is, outside of the fat spoiled west.
Yes.
A fact that is all too often forgotten, unfortunately.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 5:36 PM
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> I'm pretty sure it was intended to be "got skinny".
You have it exact.
> To say "not skinny" doesn't really make sense, and
> it's not Romewriter (and his/her cohorts) style,
> not at all.
I concur.
> Those english accents can be difficult.
Yes....as well as the fluctuations in volume and tone.
> I had to listen to the scene where Pullo sacrifices
> the roach about 10 times before I finally gave up.
I have had to turn on the Closed Captioning on my TV when watching, in order to see what they are really saying.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 5:00 PM
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You're not familiar with the phrase "crossing the Rubicon?" It refers to any situation where a line is crossed and there is no turning back. Caesar crossed into Italy under arms. At that point he was an outlaw and had to conquer or be defeated. The whole thing was an elaborate game he was playing with Pompey.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 4:56 PM
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She may have had some justification, but she should never have messed with her sisters husband. And whether justified or not, if it became known that Vorenus had been cockolded he would have been honor-bound to kill her and the illegitimate "get". Remember, different time, different culture, different rules. Life was cheap. Still is, outside of the fat spoiled west.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 4:52 PM
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That's not just an ancient phenomenon -- Fat girls should go to the third world for vacations. They get wined and dined and slender girls have to "pay" for "companionship". Skinny isn't a good thing where people are poor.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 29, 2006 4:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was intended to be "got skinny". To say "not skinny" doesn't really make sense, and it's not Romewriter (and his/her cohorts) style, not at all. Those english accents can be difficult. I had to listen to the scene where Pullo sacrifices the roach about 10 times before I finally gave up.
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Episide 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Jun 24, 2006 3:24 PM
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Tune in tonight for the re-airing of "How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic" on HBO2E. Check local listings for times in your area! Enjoy!
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Nov 23, 2005 7:50 PM
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JohnMak,
good point, I was under the asumption that he was away at war during the births of his children. When he returns home (episode2) and finds Niobe holding the baby he is sort of reintroduced to his family. The youngest girl looks to be about 7 and is terrified of him-she has never met him (I think)
The oldest girl, who Niobe says had the baby is 13 so I don't know where he was during her birth. She is also scared of him as she probably has little recolection of him being 4-5 when he left. He may of been home very little even before they went on their 8 year campaign.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Nov 22, 2005 5:21 PM
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I don't know that Vorenus had such little exposure to children...
after all, he has 2 of his own.
He had to see how the whole nursing thing worked when the first one was born. Unless he was only home long enoough to impregnate each time.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Nov 19, 2005 4:16 PM
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Arco and PalomaBlanca,
I agree it's not very plausible, but the belief seems to be that Niobe hid the pregnancy by wearing very loose clothing and staying indoors most of the time, so only a couple of friends knew. Having nursed children myself, I don't know how she was able to hide that from her husband, except that he was quite naive. It bothered me in the first few episodes that the baby stayed the same age for many months, but decided the show is so great to overlook these lapses of logic.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Nov 19, 2005 8:35 AM
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This is something many have expressed. Basically, I think we blame it on Vorenus's lack of knowledge of all things related to woman. He married Niobe when they were both very young and basically left for war so he has very little experience with female anatomy,ect. this was pointed out in his conversations with Pullo concerning the button and Voreunus having no idea what he was talking about (or whether it was something unique to Niobe even) I've never lived with a lactating woman so I also don't know the degree to which it would show.
The part about the neighbors,etc is an even bigger deal to me. We all know how rumours,etc are in small towns--These people are right on top of each other. you knowsomeone has had problems with Niobe in the past and would at some popint spill the beans.
I guess we have all just decided to overlook this but it is a stretch no doubt. In the end, she will be found out. Probably on this week in the final episode.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Nov 19, 2005 3:27 AM
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This is my first posting. Please be gentle...But I have been fascinated and confused about what I see as a big oversight. Since you mention Naiobi's infidelity, it's right on topic. Her husband comes home after several years, to her shock and dismay.And he finds a squalling infant, that wasn't there when he left. THEN the director zaps us with the closing shot of Naiobi's milk swollen breast suckling her "greedy little piglet". How in the gods name is a lactating woman able to hide that from her husband! She'd be leaking all over the place! And she passes the baby off as her daughters, but in the meantime who's feeding the baby? The only other option I would know of would be a wet-nurse, but they obviously can't afford or risk that. Also, she swears her sister to secrecy, that's fine but they live in a tenement flat. Are none of the neighbors even tempted to clue her husband in? It's impossible she could have hidden her pregnancy in those conditions. Does anyone have a possible explanation?
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Oct 17, 2005 1:13 PM
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Posted: 9 Oct 2005 11:00 AM
This is more myth than reality and has become popular over the ages concerning the excesses associated with the later Roman Empire, especially under Vitellius. (Ref a post by Medea's Child detailing his gluttony).
Most Romans, even rich families, ate fairly simple fare at home and meat was served occasionally, probably once a week, usually a pig. Fish was even rarer, because it was pretty expensive and not a staple item.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Posted: 8 Oct 2005 09:33 PM
Don't forget, the Romans would eat many meals and helpings in a day, but after most meals or helpings, they would vomit. That always helps lol
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This show does focus on the wealthy and they did often have room called the vomitorium. In the alte Roman period Christianity was the state religon and excess was falling out of not into style.
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Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Oct 9, 2005 2:00 PM
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This is more myth than reality and has become popular over the ages concerning the excesses associated with the later Roman Empire, especially under Vitellius. (Ref a post by Medea's Child detailing his gluttony).
Most Romans, even rich families, ate fairly simple fare at home and meat was served occasionally, probably once a week, usually a pig. Fish was even rarer, because it was pretty expensive and not a staple item.
Ref post by RomanLover
Re: Episode 2: How Titus Pullo Brought Down the Republic
Posted: 8 Oct 2005 09:33 PM
Don't forget, the Romans would eat many meals and helpings in a day, but after most meals or helpings, they would vomit. That always helps lol
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A writer of historical fiction
http://www.skarrone.com
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