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Octavian proclaims a new era of virtue in Rome, issuing a stern mandate that proves impossible for his family and subordinates to obey. A shipment of gold is mysteriously hijacked while en route to the Roman treasury, casting suspicion everywhere and sending Vorenus on a mission to learn who betrayed whom.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 24, 2007 4:27 PM
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BlueFacedGaul think Gaia good warrior.But should not kill preglant woman.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 21, 2007 5:23 PM
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Would like someone to explain what is this madness that is going on about the cancellation of the series??? I cannot understand how such a rumor can be considered. This show has been very successful and as it turns out has much more fans out there than many of the BBC's modern "classics". Has anyone heard this from a trusted source?
Last episode was really good. Again had the suspicion a chapter got lost in the mail or lost in the process re-adapting history. They are cutting the most interesting parts,I for one loved all the shows/scenes Mark Anthony have been in. Why are they such in a hurry to end this?
Favorite Line
Vorenus to Mark Anthony as he observes his superior in an erratic disappointment/drunkedness
I recognize the symptoms....
....I have the same disease...
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 21, 2007 10:28 AM
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> Let's hope Gaia gets what she deserves...to die with
> the knowledge that her evil action was discovered by
> Pullo.And the last thing she sees is his unforgiven
> stare. Too bad this is the end.
gaia did not deserve that, pullo deserved it.
Pullo killed Eirene's fiance. Did all of you forget that. He is paying for that act. And he is not dealing well with it. His actions toward Gaia, indicate wht he thinks he deserves too.
So, how will he overcome that, without dying?
HE is destined to die. HE has no compassion. he is a hypocrite. And he is running from his past transgressions, and you can only run so far and for so long before you break down.
Pullo, would have shown that he was a worthy person if he had flashed back to what he did to Eirene, out of love (killed the man she loved), and had taken compassion and understood Gaia, not killed her.
Gaia is the female Pullo - and he hates her for it.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 20, 2007 2:36 PM
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I think Vorenus meant that he suffered the same deadness inside because he had his love and family and that left him, then he got his family back and felt that life was worth living again. The last time he lost his family he realized that he was dead, but just hadn't physically died yet.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 20, 2007 1:48 PM
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>WHAT??! does the last episode show Pullo and Vorenus getting killed? OH, Hell!
That was just good old fashioned speculation, so don't worry! For all I know they both come out just fine..
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 20, 2007 11:43 AM
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> I really did not understand the comment made by
> Vorenus to MA that they were victims of the same
> disease. Was it meant to refer to romantic love,
> passion over reason, general looniness,? Please
> advise... Another fantastic episode, can't believe
> these vivid characters and their foibles are going
> away forever.
That was thought-provoking, as are many little comments in the show. Part of what makes it so great. I think the disease is the inability to stay in loving relationships and find peace of mind.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 7:44 PM
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I really did not understand the comment made by Vorenus to MA that they were victims of the same disease. Was it meant to refer to romantic love, passion over reason, general looniness,? Please advise... Another fantastic episode, can't believe these vivid characters and their foibles are going away forever.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 7:39 PM
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WHAT??! does the last episode show Pullo and Vorenus getting killed? OH, Hell!
bevhhr
> > My question is this.
> >
> > Do you believe the show has made a case for why
> Pullo
> > or Vorenus deserve to meet an untimely end, either
> as
> > people or as symbols?
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> I see Vorenus as symbolic of the Republic "an old
> Catonian, him", as Antony once described him. He has
> always been married to his duty, his honor, and the
> old ways.
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> As a result it is befitting his code to meet his end
> at the hands of Octavian. Perhaps you could say
> Pullo is representative of the non-political Pleb who
> hasn't a worry for the workings of government so long
> as he is fed.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 7:37 PM
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Some historians tell us that even as a young man, Octavian was very cerebral, yet conniving and manipulating, and was even moreso when he was struggling to become emporer. Some say so.
bevhhr 
> > I don't understand why everyone instantly decided
> to
> > hate Gaia--the moment they saw her. Maybe her
> > sensuality is too threatening to both men and
> women
> > who prefer the hipless, boyish bodies of women
> like
> > Eirene or Octavia, also judging by the criticism
> of
> > Atia's zaftig beauty. Gaia's physicality seems to
> be
> > threatening even to the Rome writers, who turned
> her
> > into the stereotypical evil brunette of fairy
> tales.
> >
> > As I already posted, to me she was the male
> version
> > of Marc Antony until she killed Eirene, although I
> am
> > judging her with XXI century morality.
> >
> > And Octavian is a hypocrite: It was OK that
> > Atia and Marc Antony were lovers so he could use
> his
> > mother to draw MA into an alliance, but now that
> it
> > doesn't suit him, he will condemn them and make
> them
> > suffer. What a despicable, young harpy he turned
> out
> > to be. And the actor conveys his monstrous
> character
> > to perfection. He looks like one of those
> long-neck
> > birds with his big,translucent dead eyes. I only
> > remember one moment when feelings seem to have
> > crossed his face and that was when Atia (although
> > falsely)kneeled and embraced him and asked for his
> > forgiveness. Otherwise, he cares for nothing and
> no
> > one but himself.
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>
> I actually liked Gaia until she did Eirene in. She
> was intriguing and sexy.
>
> I agree about Octavian. he's almost psychotic.
>
> --
> life goes on
>
> wicky aka effi
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 5:50 PM
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> Hi everywone from a new member. Just wondering why
> the last two episodes, after leading up to and
> showing Octavian's marriage to Livia did not mention
> his previous marriage or liason with Scribonia(?)
> which produced his daughter Julia? She was, if not
> terribly important, a really interesting character.
> Bouvmama
Bouvmama - Welcome to the boards. Some of us have been here a long time. There are a lot of new folks too.
A lot of people and events were changed in Rome. I think it was partially because the writers had to stuff two years of planning into one year. Others may have better ideas.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 4:04 PM
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> My question is this.
>
> Do you believe the show has made a case for why Pullo
> or Vorenus deserve to meet an untimely end, either as
> people or as symbols?
I see Vorenus as symbolic of the Republic "an old Catonian, him", as Antony once described him. He has always been married to his duty, his honor, and the old ways.
As a result it is befitting his code to meet his end at the hands of Octavian. Perhaps you could say Pullo is representative of the non-political Pleb who hasn't a worry for the workings of government so long as he is fed.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 9:42 AM
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> WHY?!?
> It's FICTION mam. A television program meant to
> entertain us, not teach us the history of the Roman
> Empire. From the first thread I have read, from the
> very first episode, people have tried to make
> comparisons between the show and what actually
> happened. Even your so called history books can never
> achive that anyway!
> It's called "Artistic Licence!" Get used to it!
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> ATTILA
Because actual history can more even more compelling drama, in fact actual history can be more strange than a dramatization!
But it does make the screen writers job harder, simplification of factual history is an easier path for writers, which is why the BBC's effort on Graves I Claudius is so fascinating.
Another good example is HBO's Elizabeth I.
All in all HBO's Rome has done a good job, ....and with no Christians in sight too!
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 19, 2007 1:54 AM
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Hi everywone from a new member. Just wondering why the last two episodes, after leading up to and showing Octavian's marriage to Livia did not mention his previous marriage or liason with Scribonia(?) which produced his daughter Julia? She was, if not terribly important, a really interesting character.
Bouvmama
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 18, 2007 10:24 PM
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My last post was adressed to Julianis.
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Re: Episode 20: A Necessary Fiction
Mar 18, 2007 10:19 PM
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WHY?!?
It's FICTION mam. A television program meant to entertain us, not teach us the history of the Roman Empire. From the first thread I have read, from the very first episode, people have tried to make comparisons between the show and what actually happened. Even your so called history books can never achive that anyway!
It's called "Artistic Licence!" Get used to it!
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