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Scouting for Caesar some 30 miles from Rome, Pullo, Vorenus and some Ubian soldiers meet minimal resistance from a green group of Pompey recruits. Alarmed at the speed with which Caesar's army has advanced, and with a less-than-full complement of soldiers at his disposal, Pompey makes an unusual tactical decision: abandon Rome to Caesar, at least temporarily. The order forces patrician families to choose sides - while Servilia, Caesar's longtime lover, decides to stay in Rome, her son, Marcus Junius Brutus, flees the city with others faithful to Pompey. After seeing her family's fortunes fall and rise in the course of a few hours, Atia enlists her mercenary, Timon, to ensure her family's security. As Vorenus marvels that Rome has been left undefended, Pullo sees his uncanny good fortune continue after his unit intercepts a cargo wagon on the city's outskirts.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Jul 8, 2006 7:29 PM
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This is the episode we first see Eirene being absconded by the gold thiefs. To vote for what you think her origin is click below for the poll. Thanks!
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Mar 7, 2006 10:40 AM
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> Am new here so please for give me. Am a huge fan
> of HBO's series including OZ and Six Feet Under.
> Just when I was lamenting that SFU was gone along
> g comes Rome. What a GREAT show! Being as one of my
> majors in college was history, I appreciate the
> grittiness and honesty in the show Rome. And a
> further note, Kevin McKidd/Lucius Vorenus is possibly
> the best actor since Sir Anthony Hopkins!
Hi Blazie - Welcome to the forum. I did just the same, lamenting SFU ending and then fell in LOVE with Rome. Please come back - it helps us all to commiserate as we wait for the next season. Yes, McKidd is great!
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Mar 7, 2006 12:00 AM
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Am new here so please for give me. Am a huge fan of HBO's series including OZ and Six Feet Under. Just when I was lamenting that SFU was gone along comes Rome. What a GREAT show! Being as one of my majors in college was history, I appreciate the grittiness and honesty in the show Rome. And a further note, Kevin McKidd/Lucius Vorenus is possibly the best actor since Sir Anthony Hopkins!
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Mar 4, 2006 3:02 PM
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I think it was the O'Jays who sang :D
Money money money money, MONEY
Money money money money, MONEY
Money money money money, MONEY
Money money money money, MONEY
Money money money money, MONEY
Money money money money, MONEY
Some people got to have it
Hey, Hey, Hey - some people really need it
> was it only me, when pullo opened up the chest full
> of gold, didn't anyone sing to themselves.....
> "Money, Money, Money.... Money! (I forget who sang
> it) hugs poon
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Nov 10, 2005 7:06 AM
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It was ABBA (Money, money, money...)
If he would have lived in the 16th century, Pullo would have soon be made a Count, the Comte du Monnay (pron. "Count the Money").
I started singing: "And Pullo has the bank, and Pullo has the bank, and Pullo Pullo Pullo Pullo Pullo has the bank, AAAAAAND Pullo has the bank..."
> was it only me, when pullo opened up the chest full
> of gold, didn't anyone sing to themselves.....
> "Money, Money, Money.... Money! (I forget who sang
> it) hugs poon
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Oct 27, 2005 11:24 AM
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was it only me, when pullo opened up the chest full of gold, didn't anyone sing to themselves..... "Money, Money, Money.... Money! (I forget who sang it) hugs poon
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Oct 21, 2005 8:33 PM
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He gave it to Caesar with his most sincere puppy dog eyes. 
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Oct 10, 2005 6:41 PM
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In the following episode, Vorenus convinced Pullo to take Pompey's son to Caesar and tell him and Antony about the gold. At that point, Caesar ordered Antony and Pullo to go get the gold, which Pullo had buried, with the exception of some he had been flaunting about.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Oct 10, 2005 6:17 PM
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Hi -I have never logged on to a website like this so I hope I don't screw up ....but I have a question if anyone can answer.. What happened to the gold that Pullo found in the wagon? Did I miss something? Pickles2
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 26, 2005 10:27 PM
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This is a very accurtate show. I get more and more excited each episode. I thought this one was very good in particular. I love to hate that Atia.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 23, 2005 12:15 PM
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I've been reading the various posts about the gold from the Treasury.
Secondly, the Treasury was never robbed as some here have rightly pointed out. Pompey fled Rome as quickly as he could and forgot all about the gold. Caesar was supposed to have found 15,000 bars of gold, 30,000 bars of silver, and 30 million sesterces in the vaults at the Temple of Saturn.
Lastly, if you were to lift even one bar of gold, because of its density, gold is extremely heavy and a trunk full would require many men to lift it, let alone load it on the cart, which would have collapsed under the sheer weight. Looking at the size of each bar, I would assume it would weigh at least 40 to 50 lbs.
If Pompey took even a 100 bars, that would weigh 4000 to 5000 lbs. I think there were more than a hundred bars in those trunks they showed us.
To think that Pullo could have unloaded all of that and buried it is a real stretch. However, if you ignore all of this, it makes for a pretty good episode. After all, how many episodes of ER are 'real'? Doctors and physicians always joke about the show like Roman history buffs on this forum.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 22, 2005 11:56 PM
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> If Pompey paid them ahead of time they would likely
> lose their incentive to do much for him and might
> even desert. The soldiers who stole the gold probably
> weren't that different from the others.
Oh, I agree...there's certainly a risk there. Really what I would have done was to send as many soldiers (and allied Senators, whoever) as was necessary to empty the ENTIRE treasury.
But if that's not an option, I'd rather pay bonuses to the soldiers, even at the risk of desertion and enrich my own followers, than leave the money there for Caesar, especially if part of my strategy is to make sure that Caesar had no money.
I would also have sent my son to supervise operations, because I know he's trustworthy, but that's another kettle of fish...
> I thought the soldier who escaped was the one later
> hung up by his feet and killed by Pompey's son. If he
> wasn't he probably fled for his life, figuring that
> the Roman Army had already discovered the contents of
> the wagon and would be after his head.
He probably fled for his life. He probably wasn't thinking rationally, either. If he were....there were only two guys that attacked you, and both were pursuing your colleagues. Head back to the wagon (you're, what, only a few hundred yards away!) and take some of the gold BEFORE you flee for your life. (You probably have to kill the slave girl, too--potential witness)
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 22, 2005 9:04 PM
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> > Actually, it wasn't the contents of the ENTIRE
> > treasury, but as much as they could carry
> according
> > to Pompey's orders.
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> Was it? I missed that.
As I remember Pompey told his trusted soldier to take as much of the treasury that he could. I, too, was surprised when Pompey later talked about Caesar not being able to pay his troops. Maybe the writers messed up here and let an inconsistency go by them.
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> That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, though. I
> haven't seen episode 4 yet, but I thought I read
> (here) that Pompey assumes the entire treasury is
> gone, and Caesar will have no money to pay his
> troops.
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> Also, it doesn't make much sense for Pompey to send
> back for part of the treasury in this manner. If he
> can't take it all with him, he should pay his troops
> FIRST and THEN take as much as he can out of what's
> left, so:
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> 1) he doesn't owe them later
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> 2) better his troops get their money (maybe even a
> bonus?) than Caesar's troops
If Pompey paid them ahead of time they would likely lose their incentive to do much for him and might even desert. The soldiers who stole the gold probably weren't that different from the others.
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> > As for the soldier not returning for the wagon, it
> is
> > safe to assume he was worried that more than one
> > well-armed man would have been left behind to
> guard
> > it as they were quite busy fleeing for their lives
> to
> > pay attention to what was going on behind them.
I thought the soldier who escaped was the one later hung up by his feet and killed by Pompey's son. If he wasn't he probably fled for his life, figuring that the Roman Army had already discovered the contents of the wagon and would be after his head.
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> Point taken, but....it was *only*Voronius and Pullo
> that attacked the nine men guarding the "grain". If
> I'm that one soldire, I at least go back after
> Voronius and Pullo ride off in the other direction to
> steal as much from that wagon as I can carry on my
> person.
The soldier had every reason to fear for his life once it was known that he and the others had killed Pompey's man and taken the gold.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 20, 2005 6:48 PM
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> Actually, it wasn't the contents of the ENTIRE
> treasury, but as much as they could carry according
> to Pompey's orders.
Was it? I missed that.
That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, though. I haven't seen episode 4 yet, but I thought I read (here) that Pompey assumes the entire treasury is gone, and Caesar will have no money to pay his troops.
Also, it doesn't make much sense for Pompey to send back for part of the treasury in this manner. If he can't take it all with him, he should pay his troops FIRST and THEN take as much as he can out of what's left, so:
1) he doesn't owe them later
2) better his troops get their money (maybe even a bonus?) than Caesar's troops
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> As for the soldier not returning for the wagon, it is
> safe to assume he was worried that more than one
> well-armed man would have been left behind to guard
> it as they were quite busy fleeing for their lives to
> pay attention to what was going on behind them.
Point taken, but....it was *only*Voronius and Pullo that attacked the nine men guarding the "grain". If I'm that one soldire, I at least go back after Voronius and Pullo ride off in the other direction to steal as much from that wagon as I can carry on my person.
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Re: Episode 3: An Owl in a Thornbush
Sep 20, 2005 5:08 PM
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> > Unfortunately, in the scramble
> > to evacuate Rome, neither Pompey nor the Senators
> > thought to take charge of Rome's treasury, stored
> > under the Temple
> > of Saturn. Caesar found it intact when he arrived.
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> This is correct, as I understand it, anyway.
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> I nearly hurt myself laughing at the scene where the
> contents of the ENTIRE ROMAN TREASURY fit neatly into
> ONE WAGON. I figured it would take about a thousand
> wagons to lug the entire treasury around.
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> Also, did anyone notice that the wagon stays
> abandoned until the end of the epsiode when Pullo
> comes back for it? Why didn't the one soldier who
> Pullo and Vorenus originally talk to (the one that
> successfully hides from them) come back for the wagon
> (or at least some of it's contents)?
Actually, it wasn't the contents of the ENTIRE treasury, but as much as they could carry according to Pompey's orders.
As for the soldier not returning for the wagon, it is safe to assume he was worried that more than one well-armed man would have been left behind to guard it as they were quite busy fleeing for their lives to pay attention to what was going on behind them.
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