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Marooned in the Adriatic Sea, Vorenus and Pullo look to survive. In Greece, Pompey decides to attack Caesar's depleted forces, whose lack of options turns into their greatest strength. The result finds Pompey seeking reinforcements. In Rome, Octavia is enlisted by Atia to ask another favor of Servilia.
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Feb 12, 2006 2:08 PM
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Labienus was killed at the Battle of Munda, a year before the assassination.
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> > Pompey should have won the battle, but his cavalry
> > was defeated by an inferior force. What makes
> this
> > even more surprising is that Pompey's cavalry
> > commander was Labienus -- none other than Caesar's
> > former second-in-command in Gaul! Labienus proved
> > himself a good general many times in Gaul, but
> went
> > over to Pompey when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
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> > Fuller speculates that Labienus packed his cavalry
> > into too-narrow a front, and that when some of
> them
> > fell a panic spread among them all. Also,
> Labienus
> > seems to have delegated the charge to subordinates
> > and himself stayed in the rear.
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> > The Pompeians had all the advantages in this
> battle,
> > and squandered them all. Maybe Caesar really did
> > have the Gods on his side.
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> BlueFacedGaul wonders if Labienus had loyalty to
> Caesar.
Are you wondering if Labienus threw the battle, BFG? I don't think he did. Labienus and young Pompey were the last two holdouts against Caesar, long after the other leaders had killed themselves or switched sides. But it is a mystery to me how such a good general in Gaul could botch it so badly at Pharsalus.
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Feb 12, 2006 9:29 AM
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Probably not since he was a participant in the assasination f Caesar.
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> More on the Battle of Pharsalus:
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> Pompey should have won the battle, but his cavalry
> was defeated by an inferior force. What makes this
> even more surprising is that Pompey's cavalry
> commander was Labienus -- none other than Caesar's
> former second-in-command in Gaul! Labienus proved
> himself a good general many times in Gaul, but went
> over to Pompey when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
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> Fuller speculates that Labienus packed his cavalry
> into too-narrow a front, and that when some of them
> fell a panic spread among them all. Also, Labienus
> seems to have delegated the charge to subordinates
> and himself stayed in the rear.
>
> The Pompeians had all the advantages in this battle,
> and squandered them all. Maybe Caesar really did
> have the Gods on his side.
BlueFacedGaul wonders if Labienus had loyalty to Caesar.
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Feb 4, 2006 10:48 PM
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More on the Battle of Pharsalus:
Pompey should have won the battle, but his cavalry was defeated by an inferior force. What makes this even more surprising is that Pompey's cavalry commander was Labienus -- none other than Caesar's former second-in-command in Gaul! Labienus proved himself a good general many times in Gaul, but went over to Pompey when Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
Fuller speculates that Labienus packed his cavalry into too-narrow a front, and that when some of them fell a panic spread among them all. Also, Labienus seems to have delegated the charge to subordinates and himself stayed in the rear.
The Pompeians had all the advantages in this battle, and squandered them all. Maybe Caesar really did have the Gods on his side.
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Jan 30, 2006 7:26 AM
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Of the Battle of Pharsalus, military historian J.F.C. Fuller writes that Pompey's "tactical plan to overwhelm Caesar's right with his vastly superior cavalry was an admirable one, and probably would have succeeded had he had at call, not necessarily a Cromwell, a Seydlitz, or a Murat, to command it, but nothing more than a normally efficient cavalry general."
For Pompey Magnus, it was an incredibly thin line between victory and death.
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Dec 6, 2005 3:34 PM
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Pompey did not know that they had ill intent. He thought that he was among friends and that the Egyptians would either help him or shelter him.
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> It did appear as though they had been waiting for his
> ship's arrival. But what is more likely the case was
> that the ship had been off shore for awhile while
> word was sent to announce Pompey's arrival. The scene
> picks up when the Egyptians have assembled on shore
> and are waiting for Pompey who'd just transferred
> from the ship to the boat that brought him to shore.
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> Pompey would have stayed on the ship until it seemed
> that the reception would be friendly.
Aha! That's what I love about this board - intelligent answers to perplexing questions. Thanks, Salus.
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> "Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
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It did appear as though they had been waiting for his ship's arrival. But what is more likely the case was that the ship had been off shore for awhile while word was sent to announce Pompey's arrival. The scene picks up when the Egyptians have assembled on shore and are waiting for Pompey who'd just transferred from the ship to the boat that brought him to shore.
Pompey would have stayed on the ship until it seemed that the reception would be friendly.
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"Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
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This question is in reference to episode 8. When Pompey arrived in Egypt, there were folks waiting for him on the beach (with ill intent). How did they know he was coming and exactly where and when to meet him?
It is an onion, I believe.
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Dec 1, 2005 10:27 AM
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> > "Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
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> Nice sig line. Mumped it up, didn't they? 
> --
> "Suck my ****, the lot of ya's! I'm Titus Pullo,
> right!" ~me
Thanks. LOL, they sure had.
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"Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
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Wow,
I just saw the end of this episode and i applaud HBO for keeping bits such as chopping Pompey's head off in it.
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> > In the show, Marc Antony has taken over Pompey's
> > villa.
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> Yes, that's true. But Pompey owned more property than
> that and not all of it in Rome. I don't recall that
> she returned to Rome, but to another of his other
> estates.
> --
> "Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
That makes sense. Ciao.
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Nov 28, 2005 7:23 PM
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> "Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
Nice sig line. Mumped it up, didn't they?
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Rome Chat Room! CLICKY!
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Nov 28, 2005 7:09 PM
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> In the show, Marc Antony has taken over Pompey's
> villa.
Yes, that's true. But Pompey owned more property than that and not all of it in Rome. I don't recall that she returned to Rome, but to another of his other estates.
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"Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
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> Just to add, she was allowed to return to Italy and
> continued to live on at Pompey's estate.
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> "Quid gurgustium!" - Titus Pullo
In the show, Marc Antony has taken over Pompey's villa.
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