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Can we dare speak of politics? The presidential election? Why or Why not? Who or Who not? Discuss civilly or silly as you prefer?.
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Nov 11, 2008 3:49 PM
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Thanks Nomad, you weren't kidding.
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VooDoo Dolls?? Oh my..I do believe someone out there already has one of me...I get these weird stabbing pains all over at times...muahahahaha ![]:)](http://boards.hbo.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif)
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Hi all, glad to see you all here still. I have been remiss in checking in like I should be.
I do have to add my two cents about the election. This has been such an emotional time for so many people this time around. Passions were running high with everyone. I do feel that so many were really uninformed about issues and I heard so many comments made that were down right deceitful. I hope this trend turns around in the future.
I am very happy Obama won. Now, I just hope that the high expectations that everyone has for him will be fulfilled. It just doesn't seem possible for one man to put right all the wrong things done in the past years. I am trying to be optimistically cautious about what can be accomplished and in what time frame.
I am praying that no one tries to take a shot at him...I can't imagine the chaos that would create all across the country...He does seem to have his heart in the right place and he deserves a chance to lead this country.
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Nov 7, 2008 1:34 PM
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Well, my Oslo friend made an interesting point...he suggested that the way for Obama to have ensured his life would have been to choose a VP candidate even blacker than himself!
Sad to think on this, but there is some truth to it.
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Nov 7, 2008 8:28 AM
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No matter whether you agreed/disagreed with, voted for/against Obama, NOW is the time to PRAY that NO ONE is STUPID enough to successfully assassinate him!
The assassination of Obama would be a horrible thing for our country, our world. Much as it was when Brutus and his minions assassinated our beloved Caesar.
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Nov 6, 2008 9:36 PM
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Thanks for that NOMAD, I think I will cut and post that to the Wire Board. Thats pretty cool.
Oh yeah and the thing about the young man look. How true. It will be interesting to see how he looks in 4 years. Some seem to carry it on better than others. The weight of the office seems to age some more than others. LBJ stuck in Viet Nam aged tremendously and I think emerged sort of broken knowing he had been wrong. Even in his short time you see times in Kennedy. W looks about the same but his hair is a lot grayer. Maybe the stresses of the office don't wear on you as much if you proceed through your term with blinders on.
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Nov 6, 2008 7:21 PM
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> But I think alreadythe world has a slightly better > opinion of us.
You got that right, Alki. Here's an email I got from my friend, Andre, in Norway.
I can only imagine how relived you must be - and I am so happy, for you as americans in particurlar and the world as a whole.
I am very glad that my opinions and the perspective from this side of the pond helped sway some opinions.
Here in Scandinavia, and from what I can tell from headlines and news reports from other European countries, we all rejoice. This election is historic in more ways than one, never has an american presidental election been followed as closely and with as much interest as this one. The coverage and public interest has damn near matched, and in some ways exceeded, that of the national elections. If the past eight years have proved anything, it is that whoever is president of the US is indeed the most powerful person on earth; and the decions in the oval office can have worldwide consequences, for better or worse.
As fas as I am concerened, there is no need to say any more about Bush administration has done to America's reputation and position among its allies, let alone its position in the world. That is past now, change is happening.
It is time look forward.
The election of Obama is seen as a new beginning. The main reason for his worldwide approval is his ability to unite, his dignity and his majestic presence, as well as his visions. His victory speech was ample proof of this, he did not boast, he did not gloat, he did not brag - he was a humble servant of the people, calling for republicans, democrats, black and white to work together. His election seems like the first step to bringing America back to the position as a moral compass and leader.
Oh, he has challenges aplenty ahead of him. The economy, Iraq, Afgahanistan; I do not envy him for a second, and I honestly don't see how anyone can solve them in the near future. But Obama, being a unifying leader, has a better chance at it than McCain, or Hillary ever could have. I wish him, and America, all the best.
This is your day. My sincerest congratulations.
He's so sweet. And clever, too.
Nomad
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Nov 6, 2008 3:43 PM
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But I think already
> the world has a slightly better opinion of us.
Well said Alki, and I think they do. I woke up Wednesday morning with emails from England, Estonia, Italy and Israel, congratulating America on their choice, expressing that they had new hope for not only our country, but the relations of the entire world.
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Nov 6, 2008 10:42 AM
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> I want to congratulate everyone on this board for
> having what I think is the only CIVIL exchange of
> political ideas on the entire internet.
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> Woo hoo!!
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> You guy and gals ROCK!!!!
I haven't been here in a while and am glad to see you're all still here!
You're so right Nomad, and civil exchange is the way to go. No name calling, no backbiting (which I've seen on other message boards).
Election day was beyond description. I haven't witnessed so much public excitement in my life. People were screaming and jumping up and down in the streets. I myself was thrilled and happy, although I know that even Gandalf couldn't solve all the problems we have.
I thought Obama's speech was excellent, moving, and unexpectedly low-key. The low-key element was good, actually; I think it was smart of him not to do any crowing. I liked the seriousness of it. Plus the man must be exhausted, and of course he just suffered a tragic loss in his family.
McCain's speech was gracious and impressive. I was glad to hear those words from him, since all his negative campaigning had made me pretty fed up with him over the past couple of months.
I'm not what I would call a religious person, but I said a prayer for our new president...and for the country as a whole. I think Obama will improve things for us. It won't happen overnight, it won't happen for a while, as he himself said. But I think already the world has a slightly better opinion of us.
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> I would like to say I thought McCain was very classy
> in his speech. That was better than what I expected.
> It was pretty well prepared. I think he knew he was
> beat but didn't want to admit it. He put doubt in a
> lot of peoples minds with his optimism, including
> mine.
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> I thought Obama was inspirational in his acceptance
> speech.
Obama was good but I was really moved by McCain's speech. At last I thought I saw the same man who took on the Bush machine in the 2000 nomination.
> I hope Obama can (and I sure think he is the man to
> do it) bring enough competent people into his
> administration and I think he can to look at and
> evaluate the alternatives. Neither he or McCain can
> do what they promised, at least as he said in a year,
> or even a term, but I believe he can put us on the
> right track.
>
> At least we have somebody that is going to try to
> solve the problems we face, who recognizes them and
> like I said above will bring in the best minds to
> help, and who is asking all of us to join and help
> him. I feel pretty good about it. He may
> outconservative the conservatives on the budget.
Goodness, I hope so, but I fear fiscal responsibility is just not going to happen, and the debt will continue to mount.
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Nov 5, 2008 10:52 AM
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> Oh, Nomad, didn't you hear we all exchanged voodoo
> dolls of each other before the discussions began.
> Helped relieved tension.
> I was as exuberant as everyone else with the Obama
> win. To me, it means hope more than anybody since
> Bobby Kennedy. But that in mind, I found myself
> thinking most about Michelle Obama last night and how
> she handles the stress. I think about how she must
> think of the possibility she may have to lose him to
> this country in good ways and, of course, the most
> awful way we can imagine.
> If I were a religious person I would say pray for
> President-elect Obama and the country. He has a very
> large row to hoe in the job, and the perils inherent
> in his position are both horrible and unthinkable.
> But history has shown them to be potentially real.
> Now that hope is alive and the election is over, I
> will go remove my voodoo doll of DavidDuval from
> underneath my front tire.
When I watched Obama speak last night, I made a note to mentally capture that image of such a young man, so fresh-faced and...CLEAN. If photo comparisons of other just-elected presidents with images of them after a year or two in office have anything to say, Obama won't be looking so fresh-faced for long.
What a job he's taken on! The personal sacrifices are going to be huge.
Does anybody know where Atia got her sacrificial bull?
Nomad
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Jeeze you guys, why didn't you tell me about the voodoo dolls?? I missed out on all the fun!
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Nov 5, 2008 9:57 AM
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> Nomad must have had me on ignore. I am a Civil
> Engineer. I am seldom accused of being civil anywhere
> else.
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> I would like to say I thought McCain was very classy
> in his speech. That was better than what I expected.
> It was pretty well prepared. I think he knew he was
> beat but didn't want to admit it. He put doubt in a
> lot of peoples minds with his optimism, including
> mine.
>
> I thought Obama was inspirational in his acceptance
> speech.
>
> Steve Liesman(sp) one of the economists this morning
> said on Squack Box that no matter who was elected
> their economic policies would have to move to the
> right. Because we can't go any furhetr left. He said
> those worrying about Obama being Socialist were too
> late, we crossed that barrier 6 or 7 weeks ago when
> we started bailing AIG and everybody else. I have had
> a hard time verbalising that same idea on here and am
> still having a hard time paraphrasing but its true.
> We have made some major socialist policy moves under
> the current admin. But was there any choice?
>
> I hope Obama can (and I sure think he is the man to
> do it) bring enough competent people into his
> administration and I think he can to look at and
> evaluate the alternatives. Neither he or McCain can
> do what they promised, at least as he said in a year,
> or even a term, but I believe he can put us on the
> right track.
>
> At least we have somebody that is going to try to
> solve the problems we face, who recognizes them and
> like I said above will bring in the best minds to
> help, and who is asking all of us to join and help
> him. I feel pretty good about it. He may
> outconservative the conservatives on the budget.
>
> This makes me 50% when voting for Democrats for
> President. The last one I voted for did not fair so
> well. His name was McGovern. I sure hope this one can
> live up to the promise and challenge that he
> obviously knows is waiting for him. Its going to be
> an uphill struggle, but I think we got the right guy
> for the job.
>
> But the job is going to be awful tough.
>
> But I am happy and hopeful about the guy I voted
> for.
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> "Its what a war is. Once you in it you in it." Slim
> Charles
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> "That
> Halibut is good enough for Jehovah!!! "
> Mathias, Son of Deuteronomy of Gath
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> Edited by DavidDuval at 11/04/2008 9:54 PM PST
Oh, Nomad, didn't you hear we all exchanged voodoo dolls of each other before the discussions began. Helped relieved tension.
I was as exuberant as everyone else with the Obama win. To me, it means hope more than anybody since Bobby Kennedy. But that in mind, I found myself thinking most about Michelle Obama last night and how she handles the stress. I think about how she must think of the possibility she may have to lose him to this country in good ways and, of course, the most awful way we can imagine.
If I were a religious person I would say pray for President-elect Obama and the country. He has a very large row to hoe in the job, and the perils inherent in his position are both horrible and unthinkable. But history has shown them to be potentially real.
Now that hope is alive and the election is over, I will go remove my voodoo doll of DavidDuval from underneath my front tire.
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Nov 5, 2008 12:50 AM
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Nomad must have had me on ignore. I am a Civil Engineer. I am seldom accused of being civil anywhere else.
I would like to say I thought McCain was very classy in his speech. That was better than what I expected. It was pretty well prepared. I think he knew he was beat but didn't want to admit it. He put doubt in a lot of peoples minds with his optimism, including mine.
I thought Obama was inspirational in his acceptance speech.
Steve Liesman(sp) one of the economists this morning said on Squack Box that no matter who was elected their economic policies would have to move to the right. Because we can't go any furhetr left. He said those worrying about Obama being Socialist were too late, we crossed that barrier 6 or 7 weeks ago when we started bailing AIG and everybody else. I have had a hard time verbalising that same idea on here and am still having a hard time paraphrasing but its true. We have made some major socialist policy moves under the current admin. But was there any choice?
I hope Obama can (and I sure think he is the man to do it) bring enough competent people into his administration and I think he can to look at and evaluate the alternatives. Neither he or McCain can do what they promised, at least as he said in a year, or even a term, but I believe he can put us on the right track.
At least we have somebody that is going to try to solve the problems we face, who recognizes them and like I said above will bring in the best minds to help, and who is asking all of us to join and help him. I feel pretty good about it. He may outconservative the conservatives on the budget.
This makes me 50% when voting for Democrats for President. The last one I voted for did not fair so well. His name was McGovern. I sure hope this one can live up to the promise and challenge that he obviously knows is waiting for him. Its going to be an uphill struggle, but I think we got the right guy for the job.
But the job is going to be awful tough.
But I am happy and hopeful about the guy I voted for.
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"Its what a war is. Once you in it you in it." Slim Charles
"That Halibut is good enough for Jehovah!!! " Mathias, Son of Deuteronomy of Gath
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Edited by DavidDuval at 11/04/2008 9:54 PM PST
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