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I hoping someone smart can help me. I need to find a filmed scene where Julius Caesar says the famous lines, "I came. I saw. I conquered." If you know of one and can know roughly where in the film it sits, it would be a lifesaver.
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 19, 2009 1:14 AM
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> This may be tricky. I don't recall it being in
> Shakespeare. In his Julius Caesar, the role
> of Caesar is rather small in comparison to say
> Brutus' role or Antony's.
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> I am uncertain if it's been used in a film on Caesar.
> I am almost certain ROME didn't use the actual
> l quote. There was a short mini-series done about 8
> years ago on Caesar's life on TNT. That might be the
> best chance you have of getting those exact words.
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> One of the ancient writers left us the quote, and
> off-hand I cannot recall which it was. Artezios
> would probably know.
"Veni, vidi, vici" can be be found in Suetonius (and possibly in Plutarch). In Suetonius, this phrase appeared as an inscription among the trophies of this Pontic campaign. The other story, possibly in Plutarch, is that Caesar communicated his Pontic triumph to a friend with these words.
I tend to believe the account by Suetonius. It is a "studied" phrase. It is something that a Roman general would have displayed in this triumph. It is unlikely that a statement in correspondence to a friend would have made such an impression (especially for a minor campaign).
As Caesar never actually verbalized this, it does not occur in any movie about Caesar. No movie to my knowledge ever dealt with his campaign against Pharnaces.
Actually, now that we are at it, there is no movie or miniseries that ever portrayed Caesar remotely accurately or even dealt with any of his campaigns. The best re-enactment of the battle of Pharsalus was in an European series "The battle for Rome" and even this would not get anything else but a C-.
For some reason, none of Caesar's battles ever got filmed in any decent or nearly acceptable fashion. The same can be said for most of the battle of antiquity. The only one (and it is a stark exception), it is the battle of Gaugamela in the movie "Alexander" by Oliver Stone (although the movie itself was a near disaster).
Despite the facts that battles are the most emotionally wrenching experiences than any human can undergo, movies that portray whole battles (not just combat) in an acceptable manner can be counted in the fingers of one hand. Notable exceptions: Waterloo in "Waterloo" (starring Rod Steiger as Napoleon); the battle of Borodino in the Russian version of "War and Peace" (the movie is 10 hours long and not available in DVD) (both these movies were directed by Sergei Bordanchuck). To this, one can add the Japanese version of the attack on Pearl Harbor "Tora, Tora, Tora". Those who have seen "Ran" may think that the depiction of Japanese battles there was exquisite...and they may be right, but they are not factual battles.
Hmmm...this is just too long for this thread!!
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 11, 2009 9:02 PM
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Relief...that's the word. The reliefs in the Curia Julia (rebuilt after a fire by Diocletian) were discovered in the Forum and what they depict as well as what the fencing was used for that the carvings are on are debated.
It is believed it depicts a emperor on the Rostra Augustus and I think another official on the Rostra of the Deified Caesar....but the logic escapes me because there is no way to know if the two separate reliefs were ever side by side. Also look close at the one depicting the Ficus Ruminalis to the left. The statue base is no longer depicted straight on so the artist is depicting from a different angle in the second relief and that leads me to believe the two reliefs depict the Rostra Vandelica and an probably the Graecostasis from the Imperial Comitium before the Arch of Septimus Severus.
Here is my logic...the placement and the depiction of the Ficus Ruminals. It was not in the forum....it was in the comitium along with the Statue of Attus Navia. And they are supposed to performing the burning of the records from the tabularium and I doubt it would be in the forum as this was a tradition from the republic and for the people which would have been in the traditional assembly location for them...and we know it has to be before Severus as the comitium and it's monuments were not written about at all during or after his reign. Marcus Aurelius was the last Emperor to make mention of the site and also the last period any ancient mentions it.
The Ficus Ruminalis was gone the time of Severus and any depiction of the ficus and the Statue of Navius are depictions of the early imperial comitium or the late republican comitium as historical documentation. This was probably part of the voting structure and fenced of the area. It was undoubtedly reused in the forum where they were excavated.
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 11, 2009 6:54 PM
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I have been inside the present "Curia" building. It dates MUCH later, as you probably already know. There are several large sculpures inside and the remnants of one large relief, I think. However, once you go in, there's a large cordoned area, preventing you from walking around and exploring. Rather disappointing, as some of the pieces looked quite nice.
The most amazing places for me to go... especially since I'm writing on the late Republic, were the Palatine and the new portions of the Capitoline Museum. Inside the new wing of the Museum, you are actually walking through the remains of the Tabularium. It's really the ONLY remaining public building in the Forum Romaum from Republican times that is still intact. That place really, really spoke to me and the exhibit was phenomenal.
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 11, 2009 4:47 AM
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I have been pouring over stuff about Caesar in the last few weeks. I am putting together a video about the Comitium and have been going to many of the original writings a lot for that. But I tend to stay within commentary as the ancients are not alwasy very specific.
I still don't know if the Tabula Valeria was a painting on the wall of the Curia Hostilia, a raised sculpted work....or a bank. I think the bank theory doesn't have a lot of supporters. LOL! But as I read I discover that Valarius was a supporter of the arts and was known for commisioning other similar work where the artist is known, so I also can't help but wonder if this is the origin of the painting theory. Believing it may be a spot designated for money lending and holdings could still hold and the original art may have been replaced by a newer more expensive work later when Sulla rebuilt a larger Curia Hostilia to accomadate more senators....I'm rambling. I'll stop now.
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 10, 2009 11:07 AM
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Thanks, Mark! I have so many compilations in front of me these days, I can't begin to keep them all straight!
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 9, 2009 11:51 PM
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It was Plutarch I believe.
Yes;
"Pompey commanded his army to stand in array at Pharsalia in their place, and to receive the charge from the enemy. In this Caesar said he was out, thereby suffering the eagerness of his soldiers' spirits, when they were up and inspired with rage and success, in the midst of their career to languish and expire. After he routed Pharnaces Ponticus at the first assault, he wrote thus to his friends, I came, I saw, I conquered."
The Internet source is probably confusing Cymbeline, Act III, Scene 1 :
Caesar made here; but made not here his brag Of came, and saw, and overcame: with shame (The first that ever touch'd him) he was carried From off our coast twice beaten; and his shipping (Poor ignorant baubles !) on our terrible seas, Like egg-shells mov'd upon their surges, crack'd As easily 'gainst our rocks. For joy whereof The fam'd Cassibelan, who was once at point (O giglot Fortune !) to master Caesar's sword, Made Lud's town with rejoicing fires bright, And Britons strut with courage." "
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 9, 2009 5:36 PM
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This may be tricky. I don't recall it being in Shakespeare. In his Julius Caesar, the role of Caesar is rather small in comparison to say Brutus' role or Antony's.
I am uncertain if it's been used in a film on Caesar. I am almost certain ROME didn't use the actual quote. There was a short mini-series done about 8 years ago on Caesar's life on TNT. That might be the best chance you have of getting those exact words.
One of the ancient writers left us the quote, and off-hand I cannot recall which it was. Artezios would probably know.
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Re: Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 9, 2009 3:57 PM
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> I hoping someone smart can help me. I need to find a
> filmed scene where Julius Caesar says the famous
> lines, "I came. I saw. I conquered." If you know of
> one and can know roughly where in the film it sits,
> it would be a lifesaver.
I did some checking and do not find the quote on video....however it is said to be used Shakespeare's play and then in the 1953 production as well as the 2001 production. ( so says one site) I would start by finding what part of the play the line is used in (I have the complete works of Shakespear...but may not have time to dig around to find it (one great big heavy book) then try to locate the scene on Youtube. Someone has uploaded nearly all of both productions.
What I discovered was that the actual quote from Caesar was presumed to have been a written account given to an acquaintance.
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Help... need to find I came, I saw, I conquered on film
Oct 9, 2009 1:42 PM
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I hoping someone smart can help me. I need to find a filmed scene where Julius Caesar says the famous lines, "I came. I saw. I conquered." If you know of one and can know roughly where in the film it sits, it would be a lifesaver.
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