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This thread is to post all the wonderous things archeologists are finding as well as the historical areas being reopened. The purpose of it is to allow us all to share what we are finding with other Rome/history enthusiasts. I hope all will enjoy this thread and the many many discussions I'm sure will ensure.  LadyC -- Show her what she's done.
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Nov 11, 2009 8:08 PM
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I fear that Zahi is becoming a real stumbling block over there. Even my guide in Alex. wasn't happy with him. She was bold enough to discuss it with me. The guides in Cairo and Upper Egypt won't say anything BUT positive stuff! I think they're scared for their jobs! Funny, but Alex. still has that "we're smarter than you" mentality and really FEELS more liberal than the rest of Egypt.
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Nov 11, 2009 2:32 AM
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I have got to get back to this place more often! Hyker....that is fabulous!
The article has me just a bit perturbed.....
"The team communicated their finding to the Geological Survey of Egypt and gave the recovered objects to the Egyptian authorities.
"We never heard back."
GRRRRRRRR!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Nov 10, 2009 6:56 AM
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> Lady C, I got SO excited reading about Cambyses Army
> discovery! That is TOO cool! Who only knows what
> else is lurking under the Sahara's sands!
As did I my dear friend (MDF)... who knows what other ancient stories are true?? The implications are mind-boggling!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Nov 9, 2009 8:52 PM
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Lady C, I got SO excited reading about Cambyses Army discovery! That is TOO cool! Who only knows what else is lurking under the Sahara's sands!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Nov 9, 2009 12:19 PM
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This is a fascinating article as to what may have happened to cause a 50 thousand strong army to, literally, disappear without a trace, about 2500 years ago.
Vanished Persian Army Found!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Oct 10, 2009 12:24 AM
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OK...Tullus Hostilius set up the Curia Hostilia and fenced off the comitium and Sulla paved the comitium and may have set up the Etruscan alter at the same time on top of a previous shrine.
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Oct 9, 2009 3:57 AM
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Hi guys....I have a question. To all our historians and history buffs.
What do you guys know about the Lapis Niger?
I have been researching the Roman Comitium and have discovered some recent (well 1960's and 70s) research about Etruscan religion, sanctuaries and altars.
As you may or may not already know, the Lapis Niger is a shrine located in the comitium which is a series of older alters covered by black slabs of marble and encircled by a concrete enclosure.
As I understand it, the Vulcanal (the original alter to Vulcan) was part of an Etruscan mundus, where augers staked a center location and using twine or rope plowed a ditch and consecrated the interior of said ditch. Offerings are made, mostly said to be fruit, along with votive sculptures and urns.
Similar alters have been located in other parts of known Etruscan cities and settlements including the Palatine hill where Romulus is said to have begun the first mundus in the settlement of that time and then relocated it t the comitium area.
I have come across this question. The Mundus is said to be the center of the Roman Quadrata (the Original archaic Seven hills city surrounded by the Romulan Wall) However the Umbilicus urbis Romae also has this distinction.......as does the later Milliarium Aureum, each of which is said to be the center of the city and empire. Both of these monuments are literaly connected to the Caesarian and Augustan Rostra....which was moved by Julius Caesar. SO....I have discovered that the other two monuments have only been mentioned and no archaeological evidence can truly support the claim that they existed other than the bases on the rostra.....I think.
So, anyway......I know I haven't always gotten along with Aretzio and even Beagle and I don't really see eye to eye on all things.....but in the spirit of information and sharing and all things Rome....can ya help a brother out? LOL!
I need to find information on the Original Etruscan U shaped alters and their adjoining Mundus...their relationship as a sanctuary, as I believe Tullus Hostilius was setting the comitium up as and not a government forum.....the Basilca Porcia wasn't added until 187BC and the Vulcanal is dated several centuries earlier....I think...I need a dating on that as well.
I am consumed with the comitium because it's like unearthing an entirely new forum that nearly nobody knows about....or at least discusses.
I have expanded the Wikipedia article to a large scale but the information is somewhat.....fractured and a bit cryptic as I pieced much of it together by importance before completely understanding what I was uncovering.
I find very few links to Mundus and the Comitium and NO written links to the Vulcanal, BUT do find the exact same information as it relates to the altar of Vulcan and several other u shaped Etruscan altars.
Would you believe this all started when someone here asked what the "Black Rock" was here and I googled it and have been obsessed ever since.
You ever get the feeling you were a Roman in another life? LOL!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Oct 7, 2009 4:10 PM
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Hi, Beagle,
You're right. I thought the article did a good job of explaining how problematic such a study is. Due to that fact, we'll probably never know. Interesting, though.
Many historians wouldn't choose to use the Bible as any sort of evidence, however, if one looks at the Book of Luke, Augustus had men return to their place of origin for the census. However, what exactly were Augustus' orders? Were the male family members (Joseph in this case) supposed to go by themselves, or take their family members, as Joseph did in this case. Also, was the targeted location of the census different in Judea due to their local customs as opposed as what it would have been in Italy or Gaul.
Good studies do one thing. They bring up more questions! 
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Oct 6, 2009 8:23 PM
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hyker1 posted:
>"Here's an interesting article on how scholars are using hoards of Roman coins to try to determine populations.
>http://news.yahoo.com ... etc.
This an interesting post.
In my reading, I've come across many estimates of the population at various stages of development. It's always hard to decide whether they're talking about "Rome", the city or the empire and if the estimates include the entire population (with women, children, slaves, resident aliens and so on) or just "true Romans".
I've seen peak estimates go as high as 50 million or more.
The same problem occurs with the ancient Greek city-states (e.g., Athens, Sparta, et al).
Another interesting subject is the North American population of "native American" pre-Columbus. Various estimates differ by orders of magnitude.
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Sep 30, 2009 4:28 PM
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Thanks Copernicus. I viewed Jupiter last night through my low-power telescope. For once, it was cloudless in PA!
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Re: Historical Discoveries
Sep 29, 2009 9:53 PM
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There is a nice confluence of the Moon and Jupiter tonight. Even if you live in an area of big time light pollution you should be able to see this one. Jupiter is just to the lower right of a ±5/8 full moon. I wondered if it was coming because I noticed the moon and Jupiter getting closer the past several days. Not quite as advanced as the Mayas, but you can go ahead and call me Copernicus Duval. (He was Polish after all.)
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