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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 23, 2008 11:06 AM
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> But then if a celebrity has the right to voice their
> opinions through the media and reach many people with
> their message, the public has the right to reject
> their product for whatever reason they see fit. It
> works both ways. Even if the reason is because they
> disagree with the political agenda of the celebrity
> and their manner of vocalizing their beliefs.
> Some people are put off by others trying to persuede
> them over to another agebda. Especially from a high
> profile person. One who feels his celebrity should
> have an impact on people's opinions. Annoying.
> So they have the right to promote anything or anyone
> they wish but we also have the right to resent their
> intrusion and reject their business.
In other cases, I would agree with you. Not in this case. Sarah Jessica is being boycotted because of her vocal support for a certain candidate, which this poster does not agree with. So the poster is boycotting her products? Personally, I don't give a shit about who buys what from whom or why. I just disagree with the principle of boycotting a celebrity for merely doing exactly what many soldiers in this country have fought and DIED for - freedom of speech.
Remember, just about a hundred or so years ago, women didn't have a voice in politics, never mind being able to express an opinion about an issue or a candidate. The fact that Sarah is honoring those women who fought to get her the right to have a voice is a pretty big deal for me, even if I didn't agree with her political views.
But again, I think it's totally hysterical that the above poster said she wouldn't shell out $8 to see a movie of Ssarah's but instead would pay more for the DVD, knowing Sarah still gets a share of the revenues!
If you truly were against her and her views and opinions, a true boycott would be more appropriate.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 8:34 PM
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But then if a celebrity has the right to voice their opinions through the media and reach many people with their message, the public has the right to reject their product for whatever reason they see fit. It works both ways. Even if the reason is because they disagree with the political agenda of the celebrity and their manner of vocalizing their beliefs.
Some people are put off by others trying to persuede them over to another agebda. Especially from a high profile person. One who feels his celebrity should have an impact on people's opinions. Annoying.
So they have the right to promote anything or anyone they wish but we also have the right to resent their intrusion and reject their business.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 5:27 PM
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Another thing: to boycott a celeb's movies, products, what have you simply because that person chose to utilize his or her First Amendright rights, or because you don't approve of his or her candidate's choice, kinda defeats the purpose of living in a democracy.
Now, if a performer did something you find morally reprehensible, like used a racial slur or hurt a child or an animal or tried to infringe on the rights of others, then I'd respect the boycott decision a lot more.
In the case you're describing it seems to appear that you don't really understand the whole democracy and freedom thing we have here.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 5:09 PM
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> > > Sure they have every right to do so, but
> is
> > their
> > > opinion any more important than any other
> > citizen?
> > > That's my point.
> >
> > Of course it's not more important. But I'm
> tired of
> > reading that celebs who utilize their freedom
> of
> > speech should 'just shut up' simply because they
> are
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> Exactly and thats why I have the right and freedom to
> post that I am boycotting SJP products because of her
> expression of political power. So maybe the next
> SATC movie I will just catch the DVD instead to
> buying a movie ticket. What goes around comes back
> around.
LOL! yeah, those are really righteous standards when you figure a movie ticket cost $8 for one viewing and a DVD is $20 for as many times to watch as you want. And that she gets a cut of every purchase anyway.
Sheesh. She'll REALLY suffer in the pocketbook if everyone blows off her next movie and just buys the DVD instead. THAT'LL teach her not to open up her pretty little mouth about her politics, won't it?
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 3:55 PM
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> > Sure they have every right to do so, but is
> their
> > opinion any more important than any other
> citizen?
> > That's my point.
>
> Of course it's not more important. But I'm tired of
> reading that celebs who utilize their freedom of
> speech should 'just shut up' simply because they are
Exactly and thats why I have the right and freedom to post that I am boycotting SJP products because of her expression of political power. So maybe the next SATC movie I will just catch the DVD instead to buying a movie ticket. What goes around comes back around.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 12:32 PM
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> Sure they have every right to do so, but is their
> opinion any more important than any other citizen?
> That's my point.
Of course it's not more important. But I'm tired of reading that celebs who utilize their freedom of speech should 'just shut up' simply because they are indeed in the public eye. It goes against everything we stand for in this country.
> Just because it is Oprah or Springsteen who endorses
> a particular candidate, does that make it the right
> choice?
Again, of course not. Just like it's not always right for those like Heston and Schilling who openly endorse (d) the Republican ticket so vehemently. There have been times I silently wished Curt would shove his whole staunch Chirstian Conservative rhetoric, but it's his right to express his views as he wishes.
> Sure people can decide for themselves, but the whole
> spectacle and the glitz is annoying somehow.
> I wonder if some are led to vote a particular way
> because they admire the celebrity? Seems illogical,
> doesn't it?
Again, if a large number American voters are that easily swayed by a certain celebrity, I think we certainly do have a serious issue on our hands. I personally think the majority of Americans are pretty much already decided one way or another to one side from an early age, based on their family valaues and upbringing. I like to think most of us can decide for ourselves whqt the right choice is regardless if a celeb gets up and stumps for a certyain candidate.
> It seems they assume their celebrity gives them a
> right to try to change opinions. It works the
> opposite for me and I find it presumptuous.
Don't we all view ourselves as having the ability to influence people when we express our opinions? I see it simply as the celebs exercising their First Amendment rights. Nothing more or less. To give them any more 'power' than that IS indeed giving them a power that they don't and shouldn't have.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 12:28 PM
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> BTW, just watched Family Stone with SJP and that
> really is the only film that I really liked her in
> other than SATC. I just want to know why they named
> that film Family Stone. Just all wrong for that
> movie.
Not my favorite SJP movie. I thought she was very wooden. She does better with comedic roles, imo.
I don't think she makes a good dramatic actress.
I liked Honeymoon Vegas or Miami Rhapsody.
But there are those that would disagree. I think she was nominated for an award for Family Stone.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 12:22 PM
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Sure they have every right to do so, but is their opinion any more important than any other citizen? That's my point.
Just because it is Oprah or Springsteen who endorses a particular candidate, does that make it the right choice?
Sure people can decide for themselves, but the whole spectacle and the glitz is annoying somehow.
I wonder if some are led to vote a particular way because they admire the celebrity? Seems illogical, doesn't it?
It seems they assume their celebrity gives them a right to try to change opinions. It works the opposite for me and I find it presumptuous.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 12:09 PM
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Celebrities, be they Sarah Jessica, Oprah, George Clooney, Kid Rock, Charlton Heston (RIP), Curt Schilling or Bruce Springsteen, are American citizens and are afforded the right to voice their political opinions as they see fit. They have a right to publicly endorse their candidate as vociferously as they wish in order to further his candidacy. We don't have to agree or diosagree with them. We don't have to even listen to them. If an American citizen chooses to vote for a candidate because a certain celebrity endorses him, theat is quite ridiculous, but we cannot and should not disparage those in the public eye for stating their views as American citizens.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 11:42 AM
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> The only reason I got political in the first place
> was because SJP seems to think we all need her to
> tell us who to vote for. Like we cant make that
> decision on our own without her holier than though
> persona. Im beginning to see why Kim Cattrall could
> have a beef with the girl. She needs to take that
> stick out of her ass and realize that she is not SATC
> and that without the rest of the cast she would be a
> nothing!!! Sorry for the opinion but she started
> it!!!
You might want to wander over to the Bill Maher threads. There are plenty of posters who'll agree with your stuff.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 7:37 AM
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> Actually I agree that who celebrities want as their
> politicians has no meaning. I could care less and
> that includes Oprah who said she would have had to be
> in the hospital on life support if Obama didn't win.
> She said that she would go door to door to campaign
> n for him.
> Nice that she is so passionate. But who cares? LOL
> Are people that easily led? Some are I guess.
I was actually a big fan of SJP's style and all, before I saw her on network TV calling people and asking if she could count on their vote for Obama. I just happened to think that he wasnt the best choice that we had and who was she to persuade the vote as so many others ( ACORN) had to do to get their boy elected.
BTW, just watched Family Stone with SJP and that really is the only film that I really liked her in other than SATC. I just want to know why they named that film Family Stone. Just all wrong for that movie.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 22, 2008 12:43 AM
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Actually I agree that who celebrities want as their politicians has no meaning. I could care less and that includes Oprah who said she would have had to be in the hospital on life support if Obama didn't win. She said that she would go door to door to campaign for him.
Nice that she is so passionate. But who cares? LOL
Are people that easily led? Some are I guess.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 21, 2008 7:15 PM
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The only reason I got political in the first place was because SJP seems to think we all need her to tell us who to vote for. Like we cant make that decision on our own without her holier than though persona. Im beginning to see why Kim Cattrall could have a beef with the girl. She needs to take that stick out of her ass and realize that she is not SATC and that without the rest of the cast she would be a nothing!!! Sorry for the opinion but she started it!!!
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 21, 2008 11:26 AM
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> > I'v never understood why Repubs object so
> strenuously
> > to celebs endorsing Dem candidates, but have no
> > problem with 3rd rate Repub celebs actually
> running
> > for office.
> >
> > For examples, these tired actors: Arnold,
> Gofer,
> > Reagan. Or washed up singers: Sonny Bono
> >
> &
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> LOL How about the spectacle of Al Franken running for
> senator? A comedian?
I forgot about him. And there was another Dem -Cooter(?) from "Dukes of Hazzard" was my representative in Congress when I lived in Atlanta.
But I left out George Murphy - a repub song-and-dance man in Congress.
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Re: The Movie - Was it everything you expected?
Nov 20, 2008 12:00 PM
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> I'v never understood why Repubs object so strenuously
> to celebs endorsing Dem candidates, but have no
> problem with 3rd rate Repub celebs actually running
> for office.
>
> For examples, these tired actors: Arnold, Gofer,
> Reagan. Or washed up singers: Sonny Bono
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LOL How about the spectacle of Al Franken running for senator? A comedian?
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