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I'm a HUGE fan first off. SATC made me feel normal about dating & all of the blunders that went with dating, money, life, career & being a woman. The movie was a showcase to Fashion Designers. The movie made the fashion more important than the relationships these women have together. The original series focused on the many conversations between the ladies & commentary on social & sexual faux paus that always had me laughing & thinking about it the next day. In the original series, Carrie dared to wear clothes her way & her attitude came first, the fashion came second. The movie was a let down & the rollar coaster between Mr. Big & Carrie is getting old, they both need to grow up & act like adults!!!!! I still love SATC.......I'm just disappointed....
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 23, 2008 5:25 PM
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IMO, The brief "dark moments" that were addressed in this HBO series were bad enuf.. let alone "elaborating on it to the point of depression. There's already too much of this in the world today-- everywhere you look it's there ready to ATTACK! I hated that they gave Sam breast cancer.. That mess was, IMO, not needed in this show!
WE, as women may be able to take it.. but this show was a COMEDY. A comedic genius btw -- A place where we could laugh, enjoy, bond and relate in a good way to these four girls.. !!
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 22, 2008 6:35 PM
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ClareL:
If MPK were reading these boards then I'd be making some
$$$$ from some of the posts that I'd written on the
"SATC:Sequel Thread" that was begun two weeks after
the fianle ended in 2004!!
It was begun by Beachy & I sort of "took it over" along
with someone else, who's no longer posting!
I wrote Big &Carrie's wedding right down to the last minute
details~from the dress to the invitations!!
I've even wrote a passage concerning "the Announcement
of Big & Carrie's baby!!"
Check out:" SATC: The SEQUEL THREAD"
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 22, 2008 5:34 PM
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Yeah, but it's on the series where she gets pregnant with Harry and then miscarries (remember she's so depressed after the miscarriage that she doesn't want to go to Brady's lst birthday party)...but she does end up going. I think usually the hostile mucous theory (or not) involves getting through to the egg to begin with. If the sperm does, then things are usually OK. For me, personally, I would like for the writers to be more specific (we women can handle that) re: what was going on with Charlotte and then why in the movie, voila, she was pregnant (and no problems.) Or at least none that we saw. So, MPK et el are reading over any of these posts, thanks for checking them out!
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 21, 2008 9:59 PM
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Charlotte said after her dr. apt checking her out that her body was attacking Trey's sperm. It's an actual condition where the woman's body reacts to the man's sperm as if it's an invading germ or something, and attacks it. Maybe that's why she was able to get pregnant with Harry and not Trey. Like she said, she and Harry were a "better match". IN more ways than one! And by the way, SATC was not the first time I'd heard of this condition. It's not something they made up for the show.
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Jul 21, 2008 2:05 PM
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I think (my opinion) since we went through all of Charlotte (and Trey, then, Harry's) problems with fertility issues (even to the point of (in the series) going along on doctor visits, etc, it would have been richer to go ahead and say what Charlotte's problem was. Was she DES exposure? Was it something else? We're grown women...if we can listen to them talk about intimate details of their lives, we can certainly hear why Charlotte is having difficulty conceiving. In the series that could have been handled in a more interesting and clearer way to me, then follow through in the movie (if you're going to have Charlotte get pregnant.) It would have offered some depth to the movie. I still wish the movie had started where it left off. Think it would have been much stronger and this concern about the "girls aging" is bunk to me. The movie could have picked up right were the series left off and gone in any number of (to me) more interesting directions.
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 21, 2008 12:11 AM
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ClareL:
I'm a 54 year old adopted only child~ the reason is
that my adopted parents couldn't have children because
my adoptive mom had a hysterectomy at the age of 26~
This was in the day when doctors not only took a woman's
uturus but also their tubes!!!
I wanted a brother or sister~but because of my adoptive mom's age she was turned down for a second adoption!
They thought that a woman of "40" was too OLD!!!
we the audience was never really told as to why Charlotte
couldn't get pregnant.
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Jul 20, 2008 11:45 PM
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True: I've certainly heard of couples who adopted, then had children of their own. I know it happens. But, it also doesn't happen for many people.
As I said, I was happy for Charlotte. It was possible. She had a 15% chance. Still, a part of me wished it had been left alone. She had Lily.
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Jul 20, 2008 7:38 PM
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Marleneemm,
I think I might have been misunderstood...I'll try again.
(And btw the DES debacle has affected millions and millions of women in this country; the cause came from pharmaceutical greed. Pregnant women were given this med and it had never been tested...at all.) It's a fact that if you don't conceive a baby (after trying for one to two years) that there is almost always a physical problem for this. Something might can be done about the physical problem...or not. But "stress" as an excuse for not conceiving a child is a lame excuse used (as we surely know) by medical field when the answer is "we don't know what the heck is going on." Just like mothers used to be blamed if their children were autistic--which was horribly, intolerably wrong and cruel. We know now that autism most surely doesn't come because a mother is "cold" or "rejects" her child.
When Charlotte was having so much difficulty getting pregnant (and my husband and I were watching that part of the series) we both said, sound like it seriously could be from DES exposure. Why doesn't someone write that into the script. Would be great. Would educate and also, at least give us the reason for what was going on with Charlotte. Because we're never told really (other than her body rejects the sperm? and perhaps this is a problem--if it is, there could have been more medical detail about that without it being tedious.)
In my situation, if I hadn't been educated on my mom's history then I wouldn have miscarried easily. Maybe eventually carried a child to term, I don't know. There's just been (in our culture--and my guess is I'm much older than you are) that if a woman doesn't get pregnant, the legacy of saying it's "stress." Women have been patted on the head and told to "relax." I find that (to me) offensive and incorrect. I would like to have had more information about Charlotte--exactly why couldn't she get pregnant? Was it clear to you? For medical science can tell us these things now.
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Jul 20, 2008 6:51 PM
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ClareL:
Sorry what happened to you & your mother~ but it's a
fact that many couples who do adopt do end up having
children of their own!!! I've heard of this happening
more than once!!! Charlotte & Harry having their "own
Child" isn't offensive It's a "Blessing from above"
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Jul 20, 2008 6:11 PM
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I think there is a good point here (post by Erin) re: Charlotte--the old-fashioned idea that if you adopt a baby, then you'll "relax" and get pregnant is out-dated and, I think, would offend a lot of women. I'm DES-exposed--my mother took the med when pregnant with me. So having a child was high-risk. I knew at age 19 (after seeing at top-rated gyn) that I might not could even get pregnant ever. Even after getting pregnant, having my child was high risk...a cervical stitch and bed rest for 5 monts--lying on one side or the other. If I sat up, contractions would start. We know so much about fertility issues now that to play on the very old idea of "if you adopt then you'll relax and get pregnant" was regressive and really offensive, actually. It wasn't said directly, I know, but the point was there.
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 20, 2008 4:27 PM
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I have mixed feelings about the movie.
I'm happy we got to see Big and Carrie get married. I liked the proposal at the end and the simple wedding. Big did show some character growth following the first wedding debacle; so, that was nice to see.
I loved Steve and Miranda's reunion on the bridge.
There was some good humor in the movie. Loved the friendship between the girls.
I liked the theme of forgiveness between Miranda/Carrie, Miranda/Steve and Big/Carrie.
However--
I thought the middle of the movie was really depressing. Big/Carrie and Miranda/Steve were split. You could see the writing on the wall with Samantha/Smith. Harry/Char were mia.
I really didn't like that Steve cheated on Miranda. I know Miranda was being really difficult to live with, but it just didn't feel like Steve.
Big leaving Carrie was predictable, although I'll give the movie props for having him realize his mistake right away and actually show character growth by the end.
Really didn't like Samantha/Smith splitting. It felt like regression, even though this IS Samantha.
I'm not even sure I liked that Charlotte got to have a biological baby. Story wise, it was huge that Charlotte was "reproductively challenged" in the series. I was happy for her though.
I didn't love the movie, but I didn't hate it either. I guess I'd have liked it better if the middle hadn't been so depressing. They seemed determined to have high DRAMA, which I could've done without- or at least that type of drama.
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Jul 11, 2008 2:02 AM
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LLB,
I found the episode...it is in the Second Season (so soon, I was surprised) when Big and Carrie break up and Carrie is driving them all nuts and they tell her to go to a therapist. Miranda says she goes. And Carrie says that she doesn't have to go because she has them. Samantha (in one of her moments of wisdom and she has some for sure) says, "Honey, we're as effed up as you are." Wow.
And Carrie goes and talks to the therapist who is, as you said, good. Night and day from the therapist in the movie. Carrie goes three times and that's it. The therapist says it sounds like it's in the men she's choosing and what do the men have in common that she's choosing. Well, it's Carrie. But as you mentioned, she can't deal with that, has to keep acting it out, but I do wonder who all got that. And I wonder how much Carrie is used as "entertainment" in her acting-out (same as some of the other girls) for us. That kind of makes me feel sorta sick. That we could see their "disease within" as you said as our "entertainment." For some of the funny parts are when they are abusing themselves or someone else in some way. The show has an empowering "feel" to it which I think can be deceptive (even to myself) is what I'm saying. The writing is THAT good. In the Series. Not sure how to reconcile that stuff. Do you see what I'm saying?
I understand what you mean re: being where someone is when you're trying to get across a point. You don't want to just bang your head against a brick wall. I would most certainly do this as a therapist (be exceptionally cognizant of where the client is and start there) but it's difficult to go around with that mindset all the time. Probably wise to, though.
I got my answer too...you do some writing...excellent for you...hope you keep at it and it goes well.
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 10, 2008 10:12 PM
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Clare,
I'm going to have to look. This may take a few as I don't remember the title of the episode nor what season it was in, we have all the DVD's, and my hubby is watching a movie right now!
We may end up having to agree to disagree here as my "take" on why Big didn't talk up was that he was reluctant to spoil Carrie's good time. She was so excited about the wedding and the dress and being in Vogue. True, before he always said what he wanted, but that was when he didn't care about her feelings at all.
I could be wrong about how many months the movie spans. I'm trying to guess by the seasons...
The folks who are seeing this all as a fairy tale are probably on the same feeling/perspective/skill level as Carrie is. If you wanna reach them you have to start where they are. At least, that's the viewpoint I have come to have on this kind of thing. I once was posting a novel online with an extremely unpopular anti-death penalty argument. The only way I could make it convincing was to start the way the majority of my readers were seeing things.
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 10, 2008 2:37 PM
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Merce,
Thanks for your post and it does help make a point that I had tried to raise and that made the movie NOT make sense to me. The Big we got to know during the Series (whether you saw it originally, on DVD or on HBO "on demand" in the last couple of months)...that Big said exactly what he thought. NOTHING came out of his mouth that wasn't well-measured and thoughtout. As I said 200 people is not that many people at a wedding; Big was very used to being a large functions if he was such the man about town (which he was)...heck he'd been to party after party with many more people than that. Plus if he really was THAT uncomfortable (and fair, he can be) about a wedding even at all, then what ever stopped Big from saying whatever he wanted. He was kind of silenced in this movie as I thought all the characters were to a great extent. That's what I've said and the hosts don't have to rationalize a positive spin on it to me. I thought the movie was terrible enough that I wished I walked out and many others did too or there wouldn't be this thread (which I certainly didn't start) RE: Very Disappointed with the movie.
I'd hope if you all have any clout that you'd take the information to MPK, etc. if he's at all interested. There is good information on these posts that makes sense when the movie didn't--that could make a sequel (if it is made) a lot better.
Thanks.
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Re: Very Disappointed with the movie :(
Jul 10, 2008 12:18 PM
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One thing that is being overlooked in the discussion of whether or not Big has changed, is the fact that he and Carrie have been together, apparently happy, since the end of the show....which has been 4 years? I really think that he knew she was the one, and it took him long enough to figure it out! He panicked and got embarrassed by the huge circus she was involving him in, (since it was his 3rd marriage) and rather than say flat out that he couldn't go for it, he kept hoping SHE would put the brakes on before the day came. He was teetering on the edge of panic, and Miranda's comment pushed him over the edge. Carrie was totally into herself, her dress, her extravaganza that she was planning, and out of touch with his feelings, even when he tried to tell her how he felt. I wasn't crazy about her hitting him with the flowers, but I could relate to it. I've certainly overreacted at times to a hurt so big I couldn't function as a rational person. Maybe it was immature of her, but in matters of the heart, are we all calm and adult all the time? The episode where Carrie went into therapy was at the end of the 2nd season I believe. I'll double check my VHS tapes when I get home. One note about that show: the guy she got involved with was played by Jon Bon Jovi, and boy was he hot! Couldn't blame her there, even if it was a symptom of her inability to choose the right man. (whoever that might be!)
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