|
|
This topic is locked - replies are not allowed.
Dr. Melfi has cut her ties, Silvio's in a coma, and Bobby has been derailed - now, there is no more hiding. Now that you’ve heard about it, tell us what you thought about the Finale of the Sopranos.
|
Posts:
444
Registered:
6/26/06
|
|
(2736 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:44 PM
|
I hope they dont pull the same shit with The Simpsons movie  D'Oh
|
|
|
Posts:
75
Registered:
5/17/07
|
|
(2735 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:44 PM
|
> You have so got to be kidding me?? They saved that
> episode for last with no apologies? Define "horrible"
> and that was the last episode of the Sopranos..give
> me a break. What kind of mobsters are these? Let's
> go to a meeting and talk things over and they come to
> an agreement? Give me an Italian break!!! If the show
> wasn't over the writers should of been fired. You
> wanna see good writing abilities. Watch the WIRE..!!!
pretty realistic mobsters if you ask me. phil was getting out of hand and causing too much publicity. something had to be done for the future benefit of both outfits.
--
But you're the manaher!
|
|
|
Posts:
170
Registered:
11/13/05
|
|
(2734 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:44 PM
|
I am not looking forward to any of the shows on HBO at this time. It used to be I couldn't wait for Sunday and my favorite shows. Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, Carnivale. You are missing out on the people that made you what you are today. Your HBO movies have been outstanding. Are you going to start making them without any integrity also. I don't know if I can continue HBO much longer.
--
Ilvyaal
|
|
|
Posts:
4
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2733 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:44 PM
|
|
in regard to the whole same shirt...different shirt issue.....i am not sure this matters or has any significance but i have rewatched several times and can clearly state that.......The shirt tony is wearing when he arrives at the restraunt is the same shirt he is wearing when he is seated at the table....you can tell by the collar right before he comes in...grey on the front where the small wings are near the button and the rest of collar is completely black........however.....its not the same shirt he is wearing when he visits junior.....if you rewatch both scenes you will see what i am talking about....look at tony's collar beneath his jacket right before he enters restraunt and when he is sitting down at table with coat off....its clearly the same collar and shirt. Now when you rewatch the scene at the hospital with junior......it is clearly a different collar and shirt but same coat......you get the best glimspse of the collar right around when the orderly says excuse me sir....THE ENTIRE collar is GRAY like the shirt no black on it what so ever. Rewatch it...youll see what i am talking about you can see entire shirt collar clearly in both scenes and their is no arguing they are different....who knows maybe he returned home after visiting the hospital even though it didnt show it.....maybe it was just a production error or oversight...if the scenes were filmed on different days...from Meeting with Jr. to Ice cream Parlor there is a shirt change.
|
|
|
Posts:
4
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2732 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM
|
> >
> > This IS SO wierd!! We are NOT lying. THe ON
> Demand
> > shows Tony's face as the last frame... but I SWEAR
> to
> > you ALL this is not what we saw down here.
> > We see Tony's face. and hear the bell...Meadow
> comes
> > into the restaurant and as she does, a figure in a
> > tan coat rushes in front of her and THEN blank
> > screen.
> >
>
>
> >>
>
> Well, now, I am really confused. You're saying that,
> down there in the SE, during the live feed Sunday
> night, you got to see Meadow coming in and this guy
> brushing past her, but in the On Demand version down
> there, it ends with Tony? Why would the SE market
> that got the allegedly "full feed" -- the one with
> Meadow -- then use the truncated feed for the On
> Demand version in that same SE market?
>
> That doesnt make any sense
It doesn't make any sense because it didn't happen. I saw the same ending as most have on the HD feed out of Atlanta. I'll check the standard feed when I get home in a few, but I'm not expecting anything different.
|
|
|
Posts:
2
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2731 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM
|
|
Fine, don't give us a real "ending". Life goes on... I get that. Go ahead and make your movie. I'm sure you'll make millions more. But all we got was a joke played on us and a "Ain't I clever" type of thing that only benefited David Chase. Shame on him.
|
|
|
Posts:
4
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2730 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM
|
Ok, people. Season 6, Part 1, Episode 12 - "Kaisha"
When Tony visits Phil in the hospital, Butch stands to receive him. Next to Butch, reading a paper and talking on the phone, sits Nikki Leotardo! At least that's who people say he is. Either way, the guy who plays the "Man in Diner", Jimmy Spadola, is clearly a relation of Phil's. Tony was killed, my friends.
I think this statement is incorrect as it doesnt appear Jimmy Spadola was in the episode that you reference:
http:/<wbr />/<wbr />www.<wbr />tv.<wbr />com/<wbr />the-sopranos/<wbr />kaisha/<wbr />episode/<wbr />730705/<wbr />recap.<wbr />html
Ok next up in regard to the whole same shirt...different shirt issue.....i am not sure this matters or has any significance but i have rewatched several times and can clearly state that.......The shirt tony is wearing when he arrives at the restraunt is the same shirt he is wearing when he is seated at the table....you can tell by the collar right before he comes in...grey on the front where the small wings are near the button and the rest of collar is completely black........however.....its not the same shirt he is wearing when he visits junior.....if you rewatch both scenes you will see what i am talking about....look at tony's collar beneath his jacket right before he enters restraunt and when he is sitting down at table with coat off....its clearly the same collar and shirt. Now when you rewatch the scene at the hospital with junior......it is clearly a different collar and shirt but same coat......you get the best glimspse of the collar right around when the orderly says excuse me sir....THE ENTIRE collar is GRAY like the shirt no black on it what so ever. Rewatch it...youll see what i am talking about you can see entire shirt collar clearly in both scenes and their is no arguing they are different....who knows maybe he returned home after visiting the hospital even though it didnt show it.....maybe it was just a production error or oversight...if the scenes were filmed on different days...from Meeting with Jr. to Ice cream Parlor there is a shirt change.
--
Edited by odb0523 at 06/11/2007 1:44 PM
|
|
|
Posts:
82
Registered:
10/31/01
|
|
(2729 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM
|
> But what doesn't make sense is
> (1) who would have whacked him? He made amends with
> the NY family and his only remaining enemy - Phil -
> was dead, and
> (2) who knew he was at that diner, except his
> immediate family? So are we to assume Carmella or AJ
> or Meadow had him whacked? That does not seem
> right.
All kinds of people (particularly in the New York families) would be motivated to kill him, for the same reason that Phil wanted him killed: to cut out the middleman. He was clearly in a position of weakness, having lost Sil, Bobby, and Christopher in a short period of time. There was also a suspicion that someone had or was about to flip, and Tony had been talking to the feds.
Given the motivation to kill him it would be particularly easy to find him. He was not hiding, and tailing his wife, or son, or daughter would have led to his location.
|
|
|
Posts:
140
Registered:
6/6/07
|
|
(2728 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:43 PM
|
> My two cents - the ending was pure genius. The
> Journey song that was playing, the one that he didn't
> play, the tension of all the coming and going in the
> restaurant... everything leading up to that black
> screen moment showed thigns winding down for the NJ
> family. It was all ending. It's been ending since
> the first episode.
>
> So the end of the end - it didn't matter whether Tony
> what happened right after the screen went black. The
> guy who went into the bathroom - coulda killed him.
> But maybe not. The guys at the jukebox - coulda
> a killed him. But maybe not. Someone coulda killed
> him as he left or the next day or the next year. Or
> he could get indicted and go to jail.
>
> Pick one. Doesn't matter. Because the whole point
> (at least I think!) is that it's as over for him as
> it is for us. Live or die.
>
> AND we got what we ALL wanted, which was a dead Phil,
> done in gruesome fashion.
>
> Pure Genius. The whole thing - epi 1 through 86.
Whatever you say Mr. Chase.
|
|
|
Posts:
4
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2727 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:42 PM
|
thank you - someone who see's what i see!!! same shirt just had his coat on at first!
by the way how many people have doenloaded journet - don't stop believing since watching this episode!!! Chase has selected half of my cd collection!!!!
|
|
|
Posts:
508
Registered:
3/14/06
|
|
(2726 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:42 PM
|
> > does any one else think Med found out she was
> > pregnant while at the Dr.'s and that is why she
> had
> > trouble parking car ?
>
> Abortion, because Carmella made it a point to tell
> Tony she had to switch.
>
> She had an "oopsie."
You mean she was carrying a child and then aborted it?
Carmella would never, ever support that, nor be coy about it.
|
|
|
Posts:
10
Registered:
5/20/07
|
|
(2725 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:42 PM
|
> > Hey guys. I thought this was interesting when I
> > looked at the footage again of the last five
> minutes.
> > There are three songs that Tony looks at in the
> > Jukebox before he finally chooses to play "Don't
> Stop
> > Believing."
> >
> > They are:
> >
> > "Only the Strong Survive"
> > "I'm Alive"
> > and last but not least, located right UNDER the
> song
> > he plays is..."Any Way You Want It"
> >
> > I think this is an interesting way that Chase laid
> > this out. Could be hinting that Tony did actually
> > make it out alive, while at the same time, with
> the
> > third song I listed, saying that the ending is
> > whatever the viewer wants it to be.
> >
> > Kinda neat. What do you guys think?
>
> There are actually quite a few other songs he looked
> at:
>
> "Those were the Days"
> "Somewhere in the Night"
> "My Baby drives a Buick"
> "Turn, Turn, Turn"
> "Just Because I Really Love You"
> "Victim of Love"
> "Since I Don't Have You"
> "I've Gotta be Me"
> "Crystal Blue Persuasion"
> "Rock it, Billy"
> "This Majic Moment"
> "A Lonely Place"
> "Majic Man (Live)"-This is on 2 different pages in
> the jukebox.
> and
> "Who Will You Run To?"
>
> There are a few more I just couldn't quite make them
> out.
The only two that stuck out to me were:
I Did it My Way
Don't Stop Believing
The first represents old school mafia, glamorizing the past and self-indulgent. The second represents moving forward with hope. And that's the way Chase wanted it.
|
|
|
Posts:
243
Registered:
5/15/07
|
|
(2724 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:42 PM
|
> > > Is this really true?? If so, how come is wasn't
> > good
> > > enough for the rest of the country?
> > >
> > >
> > > > There was another ending, Matt "We're going to
> > win
> > > > this thing" Servitto told reporters. The last
> he
> > > > knew, the scene in Holsten's diner — which was
> > > shot
> > > > in the real life Holsten’s out in Bloomfield,
> > New
> > > > Jersey — went on a little longer and featured
> > one
> > > of
> > > > the menacing figures in the diner dominating
> the
> > > > camera. "The scene cut as the guy was
> advancing
> > > > towards him, as if he was about to shoot Tony.
> > It
> > > > was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was
> going
> > > to
> > > > get shot." —Emma Pearse
> > > >
> > > > This is what we saw in the Atlanta feed. Bell
> > > > sounds...Tony looks up...as Meadow rushes in
> the
> > > door
> > > > a figure in a tan coat pushes in front of
> > > > her....Blank screen.
> >
> > Can anyone show me this version with Meadow?....
> It
> > still sounds strange to me
>
>
> Yeah until I see it I wont believe it! And it doesnt
> seem that anyone is showing it!
the last thing you see is tonys face, unless you pause it at that exact scene and play jay-z 3rd album backwards on vinyl. When Big pimpen comes on, play the rest of the scene in slow motion, you will see meadow walk through the doors with a rubber spiked dildo and a half pound of gabbagool conveinently placed over her nipples. Chase is a genius. his dauther is so hot too
|
|
|
Posts:
1
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2723 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:41 PM
|
> Dr. Melfi has cut her ties, Silvio's in a coma, and
> Bobby has been derailed - now, there is no more
> hiding. Now that you’ve heard about it, tell us what
> you thought about the Finale of the Sopranos.
I have to admit I was short of excited by the end of the finale of the sopranos. After last episode, I was expecting an old school mobster experience!!! and I waited and waited and waited I was yelling at meadow to park her damn car because I wanted to know what was going on in the restaurant... Mr. Chase do not use the limited pay phones in oyster bay Long Island... LOL Great series, great job... maybe a MOVIE????
|
|
|
Posts:
10
Registered:
6/11/07
|
|
(2722 of 5001)
Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:41 PM
|
"Hey all... I read some Soprano's Blogs at lunch today...
I really need to watch Ep. 86 again but now I'm thinking... what we saw was totally different then what we thought we saw.
I'm starting to think Tony;s dead and was killed when he walked into the diner.
Think back... was the diner scene Tony or was it Kevin Finnity? I think it was KF.
I now remember noticing that Tony was wearing a totally different shirt from when he left Jr... the next scene was of him walking into the diner... I remember thinking seeing him at the table "That shirt was the same one Tony was wearing in his KF dream state".
I even remember a moment when Tony walked in and saw himself which was very strange but it was all happening so fast I didn't think twice about it.
If I remember correctly... Tony was talking to Jr. and saying "Don't you remember me? I'm Tony"... so that was Tony. Then a cut if Tony walking into the diner... Does anyone rember what Tony was wearing? I don't think it was the same shirt right at first. I even think there was even a "Flash" right befor he saw himself. Was Tony shot?
I need to really watch that in slow motion but there's a chance Tony was shot in the head and it then switched to a KF dream... then "Fade to Black" all from Tony's perspective.
Think about it... If he was really shot it would go from Tony, to KF, to black... all in a flash!
Something to make you go.... Hummmm!!!!!!!"
Except Carm and Tony discuss Carlo testifying, that does not jive with KF's salesman life.
|
|
|
|
|
