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Dr. Melfi has cut her ties, Silvio's in a coma, and Bobby has been derailed - now, there is no more hiding. Now that you’ve heard about it, tell us what you thought about the Finale of the Sopranos.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:26 PM
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> I have been considering suicide over the last year,
> and the ending of this episode scared the sh*t out of
> me. I really cannot watch it again.
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> It was a very good way to end the series. We died
> with him. I wonder if that is what it is really
> like. I am disturbed by the abruptness. Brilliant.
>
> Jon in Phoenix
You might need to talk to someone about that.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:26 PM
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.
The names in the credits don't match up.... go back and watch the episodes....
> Here is a post from an online chat on
> WashingtonPost.com:
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> Alexandria, Va.: So here is what I found out. The guy
> at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The
> same actor played him in the first part of season 6
> during a brief sit down concerning the future of
> Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is
> the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was
> killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely
> genius!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true
> fans who pay attention to detail.
>
> So the point would have been that life continues and
> we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you
> pay attention to the history, you will find that all
> the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant.
> The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed
> by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players?
> The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts
> were in the train store and the black guys at the end
> were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped
> him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).
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> Absolutely incredible!!! There were three people in
> the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then
> it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he
> will not escape his past. It will not go on forever
> despite that he would like it to "don't stop." Not
> the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just
> as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony
> and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow
> didn't get clipped as well (she would have been
> between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only
> one worth a crap in that family.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:25 PM
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I agree with the idea of the ending being from Tony's point of view, and the foreshadowing discussion about "you never hear it coming" and how the show blacked out while he was watching Meadow enter the restaurant, and how there was no music which was the director's way of giving us a "moment of silence" in honor of Tony's death...
But what doesn't make sense is
(1) who would have whacked him? He made amends with the NY family and his only remaining enemy - Phil - was dead, and
(2) who knew he was at that diner, except his immediate family? So are we to assume Carmella or AJ or Meadow had him whacked? That does not seem right.
I think Tony is alive and the "mysterious" ending was just to give everyone something to speculate about.
I have also heard that David Chase claims he will not make a movie, so the Sopranos is probably done and over with.
Having said that, it was not a bad ending - the suspense of the last scene coupled with the "black-out" that left everyone wondering was clever.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:25 PM
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![]:)](http://boards.hbo.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif) We have been set up for a future movie. I hope it comes back all we need is the original family to build again. It killed off any one who didn't want to be tied into the future movie.
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Ilvyaal
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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> > someone said that the NE got a different feed than
> > they got in the south, and that the last 3 seconds
> of
> > the NE feed were cut off, which depicted Meadow
> >
> > I just watched it on You Tube, and the last shot
> on
> > that one was Tony.
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> So the poeple who said that were lying? I thought
> so!
I dont know if it necessarily means they were lying. Maybe whoever loaded it onto You Tube lived in the NE and loaded the version tney got? I am not tecnically proficient, is this possible?
I will have to watch it again tonight via On Demand -- i would hope that if some of it was indeed cut off on the live feed, it would have been corrected for the On Demand version
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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> well when i saw the ending i saw meadow walk in and
> then it cut to black
She never walks in. You assume she did. You see her approach the diner but never see her open a door, touch a door, nothing of the sort. The ding could have been anyone entering. Please watch on slow motion if you can.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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I have a point of reference to back up my theory too. Just about every episode of Seinfeld. The characters sit at a booth, eat, drink and bvllshit. Then, they get up and life goes on.
Just like in the final scene.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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The topic of the cat:
When my father passed away someone told us (Mother has cats) that back in the old (I mean old!)days when someone died someone had to basically keep watch because cats will start showing up. Cats are drawn to death. We used hospice in our home and sure enough the cats sat by his bed the nite before he died and while we were waiting for the funeral home to come to get him. We had to keep running them away. When I saw the cat staring at Chrissy I immediately thought of that. Paulie was sooo concerned about all of the Captains that was over that crew dying, he agrees to take the crew, and then the damn cat comes over to him. I think this is foreshadowing of Paulies death
Just my opinion
Kristie
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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I totally agree, we got whacked. The ending was perfectly timed and we just allowed ourselves to fall victim. From watching the clock & watching the scene, to hearing the song, on the edge of my seat, and then all goes to black. When the credits started, I could almost hear Chase saying "Gotcha"
Kudos!
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:24 PM
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Tupac said he saw Tony yesterday. he he he 
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:23 PM
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Wow... "An Occurrence @ Owl Creek"... that is a great parallel.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:23 PM
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> The truck driver was the brother of someone robbed
> > and killed by
> >
> > Christopher in season 2.
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> WTF Are you serious? Chris never killed a driver!!!
> Brenden his buddy killed a driver when chris didnt go
> along with him. esus you people need to rewatch
> before you just go making shit up. Also Tony killed
> one of the Brothers from the season 1 hit or dont you
> remember, Please log off and never post again!!
>
> --
> There were a couple of guys, I don't know Arabs,
> mabey Arabians, they used to hang around the Bing- T.
> Soprano
your are a genius these people are just fishing for answers it kills me!!!
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:22 PM
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Here is a post from an online chat on WashingtonPost.com:
Alexandria, Va.: So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely genius!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.
So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).
Absolutely incredible!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop." Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family.
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:22 PM
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> > > > Stop all this endless speculation about last
> > > night's
> > > > Sopranos! Here's what really happened: The
> > screen
> > > > went black at the end because "You" - the
> > > audience,
> > > > the American public - got whacked. Yes, I mean
> > the
> > > > very same "You" that was TIME's Person of the
> > Year
> > > a
> > > > few months ago. Why? Because "You" were
> getting
> > in
> > > > the way of the Democratic Party and its plans.
> > So
> > > > they hired David Chase as a hit man, and he
> > lured
> > > > "You" to your TV with promises of more
> > satisfying
> > > > resolutions that can be found in real life.
> Then
> > > he
> > > > took "You" out in cold blood.
> > > >
> > > > Don't believe me? Look at the evidence: As
> many
> > > > bloggers have pointed out, the season's opener
> > > > included dialog about what happens when you
> get
> > > shot.
> > > > "I'll bet you don't even hear it coming," says
> > > Tony's
> > > > brother-in-law. Then, just as You were
> watching
> > > the
> > > > climactic restaurant scene - nothing. Silence,
> > > > darkness. That sudden blackness was You,
> > > experiencing
> > > > total loss of sensory functions as the bullet
> > > struck
> > > > and Your brainstem shut down.
> > > >
> > > > Were there any clues that a Democratic-funded
> > hit
> > > was
> > > > coming? Well, there's the fact that Chase - a
> > > > meticulous man with an encyclopedic knowledge
> of
> > > > music - chose "Don't Stop Believing" by
> Journey
> > as
> > > > background music for Your demise. The choice
> is
> > > > eerily reminiscent of the Democrats' 90's-era
> > > theme
> > > > song, Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking
> About
> > > > Tomorrow."
> > > >
> > > > It's not personal, it's business. After all,
> You
> > > > voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party
> in
> > > > 2006, and You said clearly in exit polls that
> > you
> > > did
> > > > so mainly to end the war in Iraq. Now that
> > they've
> > > > failed to show the courage needed to do that,
> > > You've
> > > > begun turning on them. And while all that
> > blogging
> > > > and You-tubing and whatnot got You the "Person
> > of
> > > the
> > > > Year" nod, frankly You were becoming a pain in
> > the
> > > > ass.
> > > >
> > > > Still, as I said, it wasn't personal. Except
> > maybe
> > > > with Chase. He was sick and tired of the way
> You
> > > keep
> > > > blabbering on about The Sopranos when he
> wanted
> > to
> > > > move on to something else. You kept him
> > imprisoned
> > > > with contracts and golden handcuffs and God
> know
> > > what
> > > > else. He made his feelings clear with the song
> > he
> > > > used to awaken Tony at the start of last
> night's
> > > > episode and then used as a recurrent theme:
> "You
> > > Keep
> > > > Me Hangin' On." (That's "You keep me ...")
> Some
> > > > bloggers have said the tune was a clue that
> > Chase
> > > > wasn't going to serve up a satisfying
> > resolution,
> > > but
> > > > I think he was really telling everybody what
> he
> > > > thinks of You. "Set me free, why doncha? You
> > don't
> > > > really love me, you just keep me hangin' on
> ..."
> > > >
> > > > You! You were a problem. You voted to start
> > > > withdrawing troops. You are getting unhappy
> with
> > > the
> > > > status quo in Washington and Iraq. You are
> > > starting
> > > > to suspect that maybe Frank Zappa was right
> when
> > > he
> > > > said that "government is the entertainment
> > > division
> > > > of the military-industrial complex." You want
> > real
> > > > change. So what's an oligarchy to do but croon
> > You
> > > a
> > > > lullaby that says "don't stop believing" -
> right
> > > up
> > > > until the moment the fatal bullet strikes?
> > > >
> > > > Like the song says, the movie never ends.
> > >
> > > finally a smart person!!! i love it!!!!!
> >
> >
> > No need to get so political!
>
> Are you AJ?
No, he actually likes to get political!
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Re: Episode 86: Made in America
Jun 11, 2007 4:22 PM
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Excellent reference to "Owl Creek Bridge" adds validity to your theory.
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