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Phil turns down Tony's offer of compromise and A.J. despairs about the world and his future. Meanwhile, Tony takes offense over an affront to Meadow.
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:44 AM
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I totaly agree there, but I think sil is saying that tonys been playing both sides of the fence.As in his id-ing the 2 guys to the FBI for terrorist possiblities.think the guys think tony is doing abit more that that too.Wack-a-do...Tony
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:43 AM
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Melfi has really started to get under my skin. She takes Tony's money, knowing where it comes from, she discusses patients outside of her office, which is unethical, and yet, she acts like she holds some kind of moral high ground! She's the one who reconnected with Tony, after he had stopped seeing her, so I hope there is some kind of comeuppance in store for her as well, because she's as big a hypocrite as Tony ever was, and she deserves whatever price she ends up having to pay for it.
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:43 AM
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> > Awww, poor Nons. I'd hand you a kleenex, but this
> is
> > neither the time nor the place for a kleenex if
> > you've read the last couple pages, LOL.
> >
> > --
> > "Do not EVER fuck with a green-eyed Irishman."
>
> ICK No! I wouldn't take a kleenex from any of you. LOL
almost missed this. LMFAO!
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"Do not EVER fuck with a green-eyed Irishman."
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:42 AM
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> Ya gotta love how creepy they make Phil seem. Like
> in the episode where Vito gets his beat down, and
> Phil comes out of the closet. Last night reminded me
> of that, when you only heard his voice but couldn't
> see him at the window. What a freak.
Butchie locked Phil in his room.
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Tony: "You killed little Cosette? I outta suffocate you, you little prick!"
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:42 AM
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Another thing, every time Paulie talks, I can't help but think that he's Johnny Drama's biological father!!!! Those two are separated at birth!!
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:41 AM
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> Do any of you remember a short lived tv shoe back in
> the 70's called Makin' It? it starred David Naughton
> of An American Werewolf In London fame and it was a
> rip off of Saturday Night Fever. Unless there are two
> actors with the same name, the guy who plays Butch
> played the older brother of Naughtons character,
> always dressed in the disco clothes, always dancing.
O M G
Theme song ...
This time in life I'll be makin iiiittttttt ....
LOL
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:41 AM
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> > Hey man i think Tony over reacted when he Curbed
> > Coco. I would have reacted the same most likely
> > except i woulda never of curbed the guy thats
> sick!
> > That was where he crossed the line. And Meadow is
> > either stupid or A Hypocrit because she had to
> know
> > what dad was gonna do. I mean did she think He was
> > gonna have tea with coco and talk about it?
>
> I completely disagree If some asshole did the same
> thing to my daughter I would do as much or worse and
> Im not a mobster. That's Bullshit and the guy got
> what he deserved
Right on.. Right on.. He should've whacked him
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:41 AM
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Some thoughts on the epsiode...
1. Like most people, I find AJ really annoying but once you saw him jump in the pool and try to kill himself, I forgot how annoying and irritating I found him. When you see Tony pulling up to the house, I thought 2 things. One, how fitting would it be Tony just kills his nephew/successor only to come home and find his only son dead in the pool. But my second thought was more humane...I was silently kinda rooting for Tony to go outside and save him. I think that's what makes The Sopranos such an amazing show though. Last week we were all hating Tony Soprano for being such a cold, heartless bastard. Yet when we see his son drowning, it's like everyone forgot he's a cold blooded sociopath and all of a sudden we see an alarmed Tony jump into the pool and do what I'm sure all of us would have done had our kid been in that situation. Then later in the show, we find ourselves rooting for Tony to finish that NY idiot Coco off. Just brilliant how Chase shows all the sides to these characters...One second you hate them, the next second you're holding back tears hoping they don't die.
2. I think Bobby dies next week. There's a shot of Janice in the previews which looks like she's terrified, although I can't tell if it's her house or Tony's house she's outside. Phil is looking to retaliate in a big way and is ready to flex his muscle. I think Patsy might get the hook as well.
3. That one shot of Tony's car in the previews really makes me wonder. I've read a few people predict Meadow will be in his car when some NY guys take it down thinking it's Tony. While I agree this is very possible and would essentially be the biggest death in all 7 years of the series, in the back of my mind I think it's too predictable. I can't ever remember being able to correctly predict something big like that happening. Chase is too good...so while something like that would be HUGE, I admit I think I'd be slightly disappointed that I already knew what was coming.
Although, I still think the mistaken identity hint in the description for 'Blue Comet' could mean we see Kevin Finnerty again...which would have to mean something happens to Tony.
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:40 AM
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"lincoln log sandwiches", hotdogs split and smeared with cream cheese on white bread...now that it some sick disgusting shit.
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:40 AM
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> > There are two distinct groups of people here on
> the
> > boards..
> > Some love to get deep into every character's
> psyche
> > and somehow identify with him or feel badly for
> him.
> > And then there are others who feel there's too
> much
> > time spent on side issues like A.J.'s love
> problems,
> > Meadow's dating partners, Little Vito's shower
> > hygiene, etc. etc.
> >
> > I'm not a soap opera guy. Would rather see more
> > action than talk.
> > Does that make ME and others like me shallow or
> bad
> > people?
>
> Not at all.......I myself am part of the first group
> - I think the play on the underlying issues and
> emotions and symbolism is unparalleled. Tony
> Sopranos head is a scary place to be.
>
> There are alot of people in the second group since
> the beauty of the show is that it can also stand
> alone on its merits there too. I feel tho that the
> second group is missing out a bit tho by not seeing
> how those so called "side" stories infulence the
> others.
>
> This week for example there were loads of
> psychological parallels between AJ and TOny - almost
> too many to mention....then because of the issues
> there and with Meadow being insulted, he brutally
> retaliates against one of Phil's captains, further
> deteriorating the NJ/NY realtionship.
>
> It was a very dark episode again in my
> opinion........but before we get into that - one
> moment of levity that had me rollin:
>
> "Perhaps he subconsiously knew the rope was too long
> to keep him submerged"
>
> "Yeah and perhaps he's a fucking idiot which
> historically has been the case"
Good stuff, phil, right on. but damn, you just spoiled my new sig line, LOL. historically. no shit!
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"Do not EVER fuck with a green-eyed Irishman."
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:38 AM
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> > This is one theory that I posted last night, and I
> think it could be a good possibility:
>
> LITTLE CARMINE IS IN ON WHACKING TONY. THAT IS WHY
> > HE BROUGHT TONY TO PHIL'S HOUSE, AND WHY BUTCHIE
> WAS
> > THERE. WHEN BUTCHIE OPENED THE DOOR AND SAID PHIL
> > WASNT SEEING ANYONE, ITS BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS
> MIND.
> > THEN CARMINE SAYS "BUT I JUST TALKED TO HIM."
> THEN,
> > , WHEN PHIL SCREAMS OUT THE WINDOW, AND CARMINE
> ASKS
> > "UNCLE PHILLY, WHY WONT YOU COME DOWN?" THEN PHIL
> > SAYS, "COOLER HEADS PREVAIL." LITTLE CARMINE, WHO
> > SEEMS LIKE TONYS ONLY SENSIBLE AND NAIVE FRIEND,
> HAS
> > TURNED ON HIM AND IS IN WITH THE NY CREW TO WHACK
> > TONY. THE STUPID FUCK WAS TOTALLY THROWN OFF BY
> THE
> > LAST MINUTE BACKDOWN. SEEMS TONY WOULD BE MORE
> ALERT
> > TO THIS THOUGH. I MEAN, GOING RIGHT TO PHILS
> > HOUSE??? CARMINE NEARLY DELIVERED THE GOODS
> DIRECTLY
> > TO THE LIONS DEN!!!
>
>
> WOW, I like it, it makes me want to leave work right
> now to watch the episode again to pick up on what you
> are saying.
>
> that also makes sense with the previews for next week
> when Sil says 'he's been playing both sides of the
> fence'
> meaning Carmine Jr
>
>
Yeah I kinda thought that too.. but doesn't T know that Carmine Jr is kinda supposed to be like Switzerland or something.. he IS involved w/NY that's his side right??
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:38 AM
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> Do any of you remember a short lived tv shoe back in
> the 70's called Makin' It? it starred David Naughton
> of An American Werewolf In London fame and it was a
> rip off of Saturday Night Fever. Unless there are two
> actors with the same name, the guy who plays Butch
> played the older brother of Naughtons character,
> always dressed in the disco clothes, always dancing.
even more reason for the woodchipper ...
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"Do not EVER fuck with a green-eyed Irishman."
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:38 AM
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> There are two distinct groups of people here on the
> boards..
> Some love to get deep into every character's psyche
> and somehow identify with him or feel badly for him.
> And then there are others who feel there's too much
> time spent on side issues like A.J.'s love problems,
> Meadow's dating partners, Little Vito's shower
> hygiene, etc. etc.
>
> I'm not a soap opera guy. Would rather see more
> action than talk.
> Does that make ME and others like me shallow or bad
> people?
Not at all.......I myself am part of the first group - I think the play on the underlying issues and emotions and symbolism is unparalleled. Tony Sopranos head is a scary place to be.
There are alot of people in the second group since the beauty of the show is that it can also stand alone on its merits there too. I feel tho that the second group is missing out a bit tho by not seeing how those so called "side" stories infulence the others.
This week for example there were loads of psychological parallels between AJ and TOny - almost too many to mention....then because of the issues there and with Meadow being insulted, he brutally retaliates against one of Phil's captains, further deteriorating the NJ/NY realtionship.
It was a very dark episode again in my opinion........but before we get into that - one moment of levity that had me rollin:
"Perhaps he subconsiously knew the rope was too long to keep him submerged"
"Yeah and perhaps he's a fucking idiot which historically has been the case"
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:36 AM
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> She and Patsy can be the most corrupt
> > lawyers in North Jersey by the year 2012 ...
>
>
> Funny you mention the year 2012..
> Was watching the History Ch. last night in betwen The
> Sopranos on HBO-E and HBO-W...and they had a show on
> where the Bible predicted a total Appocalpyse of our
> planet in the year 2012.
> Only 5 years to go. Better get in all your fun NOW.
I thought that was the Aztec or Mayan calendar. Anyway, better stock up on the bottled water and canned goods ...
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"Do not EVER fuck with a green-eyed Irishman."
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Re: Episode 84: The Second Coming
May 21, 2007 9:36 AM
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> Is there a "Chase connection" betrween A.J.
> and Al Jazeera?
good catch.. who knows
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