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Well here we go with a baseball thread for all. I have some opening thoughts, but everyone feel free to chime in. Pitchers and catchers in two days.
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Nov 22, 2009 3:47 PM
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> Nope, in fact, Mark Martin's run only reinforces what
> I've always believed; that NASCAR makes every effort
> to favor their most popular drivers.
how's that working out with dale jr.? last week he caused an 11 car wreck and came in 34th. this week he's starting in the 30s again. reminds me of kyle petty.
> Only in NASCAR can a 56 year old guy run for a
> championship. It doesn't happen anywhere else except
> in professional wrestling.
martin is 50. he's come in 2nd a few times, 3rd a few times and 4th a few times and he gat cheated out of one championship. it's like saying ted williams and dan marino are no good since they never won it all.
> Let me ask you something, you don't feel that this
> "Chase" bullshit is all contrived? In what other
> sport are the guys that don't make the "playoffs"
> allowed to play with those who do?
i agree. don't like the chase format.
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Nov 22, 2009 3:43 PM
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> > > Let's see if Massa gets to win a race next
> > year.
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> > so, you're saying it's like NASCAR. you know,
> all
> > predetermined and shit.
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> It's not predetermined as Alonso still has to beat
> all the other teams. But let's face it, the team that
> is most notorious for giving team orders over the
> years has been Ferrari. With all that money on the
> line, Ferrari will never risk pissing off a major
> sponsor. Despite your admiration of Massa, the fact
> is that he isn't considered even by his own team as a
> capable and worthy driver and that forces them to go
> out and get drivers like Raikonnen and Alonso (they
> were also interested in Hamilton, BTW).
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> If he were as good as you feel he is, would Ferrari
> i allow themselves to be put in this sort of
> position?
i just think you sell him short. i don't think he's mario andretti.
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Nov 22, 2009 3:41 PM
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> > well, first of all, hamilton's gay.
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> That's not something I would know.
elton john is gay too. so is barney frank.
> i can tell you with a straight face that
> massa's
> > better than button though, which was my point.
> > button was in the right place at the right
> time.
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> Then you haven't followed their careers.
> If anything, Massa is the one at the right place at
> the right time. That's how he got the Ferrari drive
> to begin with. (At the time, Sauber was using Ferrari
> engines. When Sauber couldn't pay Ferrari, he offered
> Massa's contract instead)
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> Button was a huge success in the minor formulas and
> with the exception of his time at Renault, faster
> than his teamates in Formula 1. That has included the
> likes of Ralph Schumacher and Jaques Villenueve.
everyone in formula 1 is successful in the minor formulas. if you suck down there, you don't get to F1. btw, ralph schumacher's gay too.
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> >
> > do you think schumacher's coming back to drive
> for
> > mercedes?
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>
> That's a tough one.
>
> I can see it happening only because it was Mercedes
> that got Schumacher into racing and got him his first
> Formula 1 seat with Jordan and Schumacher feels an
> obligation to Norbert Haug. The irony has been that
> Schumacher has never driven for Mercedes in Formula
> 1. If he does drive for Mercedes, it will only be one
> year. Schumacher would be risking a long term
> lucrative consulting deal with Ferrari if he decides
> to drive. Of course, that says nothing if he comes
> back and starts sucking.
i think it could be interesting. he says his neck is all better. he would just be keeing the seat warm until vettel can get there is what i read. they want all germans.
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Nov 21, 2009 2:34 PM
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> and speaking of NASCAR, have you rethought your
> position on mark martin yet?
Nope, in fact, Mark Martin's run only reinforces what I've always believed; that NASCAR makes every effort to favor their most popular drivers.
Only in NASCAR can a 56 year old guy run for a championship. It doesn't happen anywhere else except in professional wrestling.
Let me ask you something, you don't feel that this "Chase" bullshit is all contrived? In what other sport are the guys that don't make the "playoffs" allowed to play with those who do?
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Nov 21, 2009 2:29 PM
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> > Let's see if Massa gets to win a race next
> year.
>
> so, you're saying it's like NASCAR. you know, all
> predetermined and shit.
It's not predetermined as Alonso still has to beat all the other teams. But let's face it, the team that is most notorious for giving team orders over the years has been Ferrari. With all that money on the line, Ferrari will never risk pissing off a major sponsor. Despite your admiration of Massa, the fact is that he isn't considered even by his own team as a capable and worthy driver and that forces them to go out and get drivers like Raikonnen and Alonso (they were also interested in Hamilton, BTW).
If he were as good as you feel he is, would Ferrari allow themselves to be put in this sort of position?
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Edited by nino at 11/21/2009 11:29 AM PST
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Nov 21, 2009 2:23 PM
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> well, first of all, hamilton's gay.
That's not something I would know.
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> i can tell you with a straight face that massa's
> better than button though, which was my point.
> button was in the right place at the right time.
Then you haven't followed their careers.
If anything, Massa is the one at the right place at the right time. That's how he got the Ferrari drive to begin with. (At the time, Sauber was using Ferrari engines. When Sauber couldn't pay Ferrari, he offered Massa's contract instead)
Button was a huge success in the minor formulas and with the exception of his time at Renault, faster than his teamates in Formula 1. That has included the likes of Ralph Schumacher and Jaques Villenueve.
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> do you think schumacher's coming back to drive for
> mercedes?
That's a tough one.
I can see it happening only because it was Mercedes that got Schumacher into racing and got him his first Formula 1 seat with Jordan and Schumacher feels an obligation to Norbert Haug. The irony has been that Schumacher has never driven for Mercedes in Formula 1. If he does drive for Mercedes, it will only be one year. Schumacher would be risking a long term lucrative consulting deal with Ferrari if he decides to drive. Of course, that says nothing if he comes back and starts sucking.
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Edited by nino at 11/21/2009 11:35 AM PST
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Nov 21, 2009 10:32 AM
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and speaking of NASCAR, have you rethought your position on mark martin yet?
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Nov 21, 2009 10:32 AM
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> Let's see if Massa gets to win a race next year.
so, you're saying it's like NASCAR. you know, all predetermined and shit.
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Nov 21, 2009 10:30 AM
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well, first of all, hamilton's gay.
i can tell you with a straight face that massa's better than button though, which was my point. button was in the right place at the right time.
do you think schumacher's coming back to drive for mercedes?
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Nov 21, 2009 12:39 AM
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Let's see if Massa gets to win a race next year.
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Nov 21, 2009 12:38 AM
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> why would button sign for $10 mil for three years
> when midling drivers like massa get over $16 million
> per year?
Button signed for $18 million over three years.
Button signed with McClaren because he was tipped by Norbert Haug that his services would not be needed at the new Mercedes Grand Prix team that was formerly Brawn GP. That being the case, Button signed for even less than he was being offered by Brawn before the Mercedes buy out.
Let me see if you can see the picture here: New Ferrari major sponsor, Santander, is paying Kimi's salary to not race at the Scuderia, they are also paying Fernando Alonso's salary. Santander is based in Spain and has been a long time supporter of Alonso. Santander was VERY unhappy with the way McClaren treated Alonso and ceased to be a McClaren sponsor. Are you seeing where this is heading? Massa will have to be content with getting a salary that he would not get anywhere else and drive in support of Alonso's drive for the championship.
BTW, Lewis Hamilton makes $11 million a year. Tell me with a straight face that Massa is better than Hamilton.
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Nov 19, 2009 8:54 PM
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why would button sign for $10 mil for three years when midling drivers like massa get over $16 million per year?
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Nov 18, 2009 9:45 PM
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Har!
Toyota didn't have a single winner in the IIHS top safety pick list. Subaru had 4 winners. Honda had 2. Lots of American cars made the list- Dodge, Chrysler, Buick, Ford.
IIHS safety winners
Camrys suck!
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Nov 18, 2009 2:48 PM
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Button officially at McClaren
Kimi out of Formula 1 for '10 season
Mercedes buys Brawn GP and renames it Mercedes Grand Prix.
Nick Heidfeld and Nico Rosberg the likely pairing at Mercedes GP
Timo Glock at the new Manor GP team
Luca Di Montezemolo steps down as head of the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA)
Renault needing 30 million Euros to continue the team, is looking for investors. Kubica close to signing with Renault, is going rally racing this weekend in a ....Renault rally car.
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Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM
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>Hi Guy... are you still on a high from the series win?
Hey Kugs,
A little better than sex, but not as good as a stock market score.
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