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Dave and Katie debate the value of continued therapy. Palek worries about losing his identity in the wake of Carolyn's recent revelation. Nick is spending more and more time at Jamie's, but she can't tell him what he wants to hear.
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Dec 14, 2007 12:58 PM
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Hi,
I wanted to know if anyone could get screencaps of Dannika Northcott who plays Haley in this episode for me please here is a picture of her: Dannika (Haley) Picture you can email them to me at mysites06@gmail.com just put "dannika screencaps" as the subject.
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Gabby
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Nov 4, 2007 8:35 PM
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This show isn't about religion. If that's something you are looking for, Big Love would be a good show to watch. I'm not a religious person, and religion has never played a role in any of my relationships. Yes, religion plays a role in many relationships, but not all. Be careful about generalizations.
> I find it funny that the folks at HBO leave out
> perhaps one of the most significant issues in
> relationships: religion. Be it Islam, Judiaism, or
> Christianity, religion is a big factor in most
> relationships, especially in the USA, and HBO simply
> ignores it.
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> In a world where many now get married for sex, lust,
> money, or power, it is those marriages where the
> individuals believe in something more than
> themselves, God or Jesus Christ, if you will, that I
> personally tend to see have better chances at
> success. In fact, after becoming "one flesh" after
> marriage, many religious couples no longer see two
> individuals but rather a team, working towards
> "higher" goals.
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> But oh no, according to HBO, religion doesn't exist.
> No prayer, no religious guidance or consultation.
> Only secular solutions are highlighted. Selfishness
> over selflessness.
>
> Just more proof that HBO it totally out of touch with
> reality when it comes to this "reality" TV show.
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Nov 4, 2007 8:32 PM
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I agree with you on that. Besides not washing her hands, what really bothers me is that she never seems to wipe herself. She probably has an odor issue. No wonder Palek doesn't want any at times. Yuck!
> Please please please tell my why Carolyn never washes
> her hands? She'll be in the bathroom, taking repeated
> pregnancy tests then rushes off without washing! So
> disgusting! She even jumped up and picked up her
> blackberry - so so gross.
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Nov 4, 2007 3:19 PM
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"All the people posting here that a marriage does not need sex to succeed must be women.
Newsflash ladies, men DO need sex. For us, good sex is part of the formula for what we consider a successful marriage. "
Newsflash - women also DO need sex. It's just not a top priority after staying up all night with a sick child, after being in a car accident, on all days ending in Y, in leap years, or because the sun came up in the morning.
All kidding aside, sex is one component of a relationship; it's definitely important, but is not THE most important. Are you telling me that if you wife, god forbid, was seriously injured, you'd still want sex during her recovery? What about if she had the flu? What about if a close friend died?
I have two grown sons, and my marriage is probably stronger than it ever was. We are, amongst other things, best friends. We have a great relationship, and that includes great sex. But it doesn't define our relationship and dry spells won't break us apart -- that's life. Sometimes an I LOVE YOU message a cell phone, breakfast in bed, or finding your favorite ice cream in the freezer "does it".
Sex is something that happens in the moment. Yes, sometimes you have to make a date with your spouse to have sex, to show being together is important. But most of the time it just happens, but not when other issues demand working together to solve.
Needing something doesn't mean you have to have it on demand. Needing something also doesn't mean your need takes precedent when the other person's not there. Needing your partner to be happy and fulfilled is the goal, and that doesn't always mean sexual.
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Nov 2, 2007 1:32 PM
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All the people posting here that a marriage does not need sex to succeed must be women.
Newsflash ladies, men DO need sex. For us, good sex is part of the formula for what we consider a successful marriage.
Maybe, here lies the reason that many marriages fail. Not because we demand perfection, but rather because often, each spouse has a different idea of a "happy marriage".
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Nov 2, 2007 12:05 PM
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The movie was "Swimfan" 2002 and rated PG-13, hardly what I would call an Adult film.
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Did I just see what I THINK I saw?? I turned away from my computer and towards the TV just in time to see young Isabella watching an adult movie on her laptop?? Let me process this: Isabella, daughter of Parents of the Year Dave& Katie, is able...on her little white laptop (must be nice) with the Hello Kitty (?) sticker on it....to download a porn movie?? Dave and Katie do not bother to set the Parental Control filter?? Oh, pardon me...this is HBO. Poor kid! She went directly from starting her period to full blown sex on the internet addiction. Yeah, just what every normal 10 year old girl is prone to do. Next she'll be working at the strip club and getting hot flashes.
Next unbelievable thing: Grown ups are not allowed to hop around inside those jumping castle things, Palek, for a reason!. I kept waiting for Sponge Bob to blow up.
What a revelation that Carolyn hates kids...delivered by the sleazy Mason. Let me get this straight: Carolyn overcame her trailer trash upbringing but Mason is still grounded in it. Very interesting. And, she was annoyingly rude to her boyfriend. How can he stand her?
Jamie!! Do NOT let New Guy move in! At first he fixes the toilet...just to get you thinking that he's handy and indispensable. The next thing you know, he and is loafing friends are crowded around your TV playing video games all day. No! No! No! You can do better! Find a nice, rich cardiologist...quick!
Dave, looking like a deer caught in the headlights, suggests that they talk to MAE(??) about having another baby?? He doesn't want to have sex, period. Maybe he should borrow Isabella's computer.
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Oct 31, 2007 10:10 PM
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I love this show so far - even if it is somewhat soap opera-ish. I love Mae, I just can't imagine going to a therapist that doesn't have kids. It changes everything , and I think you'd need to experience it to help other people with kids.
Anyway, Katie's mannerisms annoy me a little and so does Palek, but we'll see how it goes, their acting skills will probably improve.
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Oct 31, 2007 7:55 PM
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> I find it funny that the folks at HBO leave out
> perhaps one of the most significant issues in
> relationships: religion. Be it Islam, Judiaism, or
> Christianity, religion is a big factor in most
> relationships, especially in the USA, and HBO simply
> ignores it.
Not a 'Big Love' fan I guess.
> In a world where many now get married for sex, lust,
> money, or power, it is those marriages where the
> individuals believe in something more than
> themselves, God or Jesus Christ, if you will, that I
> personally tend to see have better chances at
> success. In fact, after becoming "one flesh" after
> marriage, many religious couples no longer see two
> individuals but rather a team, working towards
> "higher" goals.
I'm working on "higher" goal as we speak.
> But oh no, according to HBO, religion doesn't exist.
> No prayer, no religious guidance or consultation.
> Only secular solutions are highlighted. Selfishness
> over selflessness.
Let me get this straight. So, taking steps to save your marriage, keep your family together, and correct destructive behavior by opening yourself up to scary or painful revelations is being "selfish"? I thought it would easier to walk away and not go dredging through that garbage.
It's been criticized for many things but this one takes the prize.
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Oct 31, 2007 2:54 PM
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Awlk - you also make a good point about the high expectations (perfectionism) in relationships, especially in western culture.
Sometimes I think sex has to take a backseat for awhile and you need to focus on other things like simple bonding as friends. I think people make such a big deal over sex too much. Maybe if it wasn't such a big deal... such a big emphasis on it... then things would work out OK.
I think I read an reader question to a psychologist in a magazine once. It was a guy saying that his wife had not had sex with him in awhile and no matter what he does to initiate it (and he had alot of ways of trying to get her in the mood)... then he was asking the shrink what to do. The shrink told him to grow up and focus on other things for awhile and stop making such a big deal out of it... basically (but in better words than I can remember right now) reminding him that his wife was like a real person and not some pet that is going to respond to some trick to turn her on and that maybe he needs to spend time talking to her and just being friends.
I believe you have to be friends first in a healthy relationship.
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Oct 31, 2007 2:39 PM
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Awlk - good point.
i never personally understood why sex takes such precedence in relationships. what is funny is that sometimes a new couple smitten with each other will say that they have something much more than sex and so they like to insist that their relationship is not about sex (of course, this is while they are having really great sex). But then later in the relationship... when something happens - like one loses interest in sex or one has an affair or something like that (some sex related issue), then they just split up because of it. seems quite hypocritical to get together because you think you have so much more than sex but split up because there is something wrong with your sex lives.
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Oct 31, 2007 8:50 AM
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I don't believe that Katie and Dave are failing in their marriage. They have good communication and are learning more about each other every day. They love their family, they love each other and they love their lives.
Sex isn't the end all and be all of a relationship. It is very important but there are all kinds of reasons that sex doesn't necessarily work in relationships. Both physical and mental issues can cause changes or the cessation of sex in a relationship but it doesn't mean that the marriage is over.
Katie and Dave still seem to be on the same page so to speak when it comes to most issues in their lives.
This is much more than can be said for Carolyn and Palek and Jamie and Hugo.
It really bothers me to think that people expect every part of a marriage to work all the time or they must be in trouble. Life isn't like that... there are times when things are all out of whack and you have to work through those times. I think this concentration on perfection is why there is so much divorce in this country. Life has enough stress without thinking that you have to have a perfect marriage or no marriage at all.
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Oct 31, 2007 8:37 AM
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The Sunday time slot belongs to Tony T and the crew.
Sorry JFC fans but that is why JFC got canceled, and TMYLM did not replace JFC. It was just the next show in line.
Face the facts JFC just didn't cut it. This is a tough time slot and TMYLM is just too real for people to deal with.
see:
A day after airing its season finale, HBO has canceled the surfing drama John from Cincinnati. According to The Hollywood Reporter, series creator David Milch will continue to work for the pay cable network.
Milch's deal with HBO will run through August of 2008. He is already in the process of creating several new series for the channel. John from Cincinnati, which got mixed reviews from the critics, never managed to find its audience.
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Oct 31, 2007 2:54 AM
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I was not raised in a religious family and while we are not total aetheists most of my relatives and myself included believe in 'something' but we interpret the Bible (and other religious text) more like books of fables rather than interpreting it literally and denying science. We all agree that all religions, when you remove the specifics and the literals, are all basically talking about the same thing but just expressing it in different languages from different cultural perspectives.
Still my family has a sense of higher purpose... we take care of each other first and foremost even when we are not getting along and support each other even when we are f*cking up. My family, across generations, are the happy go lucky type... and down to earth (as in cynical and not like "we are the world" types) yet the way it has always been in our house and the houses of extended family is that its just good common sense to be kind, considerate, honest and to just take it one day at a time and do the best you can. We are always straight with each other as well because things are just a lot simpler that way... in the long run, anyways... in the big picture.
Its not necessary to have religion to have a sense of humility and to have the self-awareness and insight required to not be so selfish or demanding on others.
I would not say that most couples (or families) are religious nor would I say that the ones that are religious have a higher rate of success. In fact, I would say the opposite because I can't count how many times I hear about a marriage that failed because of religion... either because they never really loved eachother to begin with but got married because the Church insists its the right thing to do (like maybe for catholics who accidentally got pregnant and don't believe in abortion so they got married... or christians who don't believe in pre-marital sex so they get married so they can have it, pre-arranged marriages, a gay man in the closet about his homosexuality gets married as a cover and possibly last chance for redemption, etc, etc, etc...)...
ALSO... even if a couple gets married simply because they think they are compatible simply because their "profiles" share matching principles religiously... later discover that it was their principles that got married and they just came along for the ride... (I heard a line similar to this in movie by Kevin Spacey's character which I thought was brilliant... not just about religion but people who seek love based on fitting profiles in general.)
This show is an exhibition on failing relationships... not all relationships in general but just the subset of the failing ones. Each relationship features characters that are selfish in one way or another and its the selfishness that is destroying each relationship (as well as each character's capacity to love). The title of the show is "Tell Me You Love Me"... which sums up failing relationships... that these couples are having a hard time making themselves vulnerable because in a bad relationship... being the one that says "I love you" is like a sacrifice exposing yourself to be vulnerable to have your heart broken... and all of these characters are both trying to reach out but yet they are staying withdrawn and keeping themselves guarded in some way.
The bottom line... most relationships that fail have an imbalance... usually one is the dominating independent one that can just drop it and leave at any time and the other one is the codependent one that often makes the sacrifices in order to keep it going. Sometimes its obvious which one is which... but other times its not and its like the couple is engaged in a poker game hiding their hand and outbidding each other until one caves... and sometimes the relationship ends when the cards are revealed... but you'd be surprised at how long a couple can go before that happens.
In successful relationships however, I believe there is an equality in the balance... that both parties are mutually co-dependent (or independently coinciding)... and the cards are laid out on the table... no mind games. And saying "I love you" simply means "I love you"... without any connotations about whom is more needy attached to it.
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sorry again... editing my reply so that it does not repeat
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