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Oliver's gregarious father is frustrated with his soon-to-be ex-wife's overprotective treatment of their son, but when it's his turn to play parent, he makes his share of mistakes that alienate Oliver and infuriate Bess.
Oliver's overprotective mother Bess claims she's put her life and studies on hold to raise her son. She and Luke claim to want what's best for their son, but Oliver continually ends up in the middle of their battles.
Given Paul's recent divorce do you think he'll stay objective in helping Luke & Bess in parenting Oliver from separate homes?
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
May 2, 2009 8:30 PM
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Clearly Luke & Bess are just as much clients of Paul's as Oliver is. Now with Bess out of the way for a week it will be Luke next session and we will get the other side of the coin.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 21, 2009 12:33 PM
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I had a really big problem with Oliver's father asking him to keep a secret abt his girlfriend from his mother.
Also, is it me or does Bess seem exceptionally controlling and needy? I get the impression she cannot let go of the marriage. She seems like the mother, although she is concerned abt her son, that needs to find out what the father is doing even when it has nothing to do with Oliver.
Both parents have issues but my heart really goes out to Oliver who sees himself as the culprit when he is just the bargaining tool.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 17, 2009 12:47 AM
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These parents seem to take one small step forward at being civil and fair and then a big jump backwards because they don't think or listen. So much like some of today's parents.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 14, 2009 2:50 PM
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Yes, interesting observation fortyeight. We shall see. May I call you 48?
I don't have children, either, but tons of kids in my life as sub teacher in the inner city.
I'm new to these threads. My post centered around Oliver so I cut and pasted it on the Oliver thread.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 10, 2009 8:14 AM
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Hi, itomppert -
Thanks for referring me to the article on the jewishjournal.com site. I learned much about In Treatment. Money and fame, who would have thunk it?!, and even got to hone my skills in matzo ball cooking.
But seriously, the series could not be the same in tone here and in Israel.
To wit, Israel is a tiny country, Assaf Dayan, Gabriel Byrne's parallel, is the son of a legend and quite a famous, sometimes scandalous, person. (He created an uproar way back when he was young and published his first novel in English.)
Alex's character is an air force pilot. In Israel pilots are the most revered people, and every boy who has to wear prescription glasses before he goes to the army has the pang of realizing he can't be one. Thus "Alex's" unraveling and, ultimately, his suicide, have a huge undertone.
I want to say again that I was hugely impressed by the first week in the second season. It was the best TV I watched since I Claudius.
Can't wait for it to go on. drora.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 10, 2009 3:13 AM
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A few more words about Oliver. I agree with Host Lisa about Bess insinuating herself into every move her son makes. She's really into feeding him (unlike last season's Amy who fed Lenny Twinkies and chips), but she overdoes that. Bess was overly critical of Luke and his return to bachelor days. I agree that he needs to form a consciousness about his son's basic needs, but Luke has the right idea about Oliver perhaps needing more exercise.
(This couple is a turnaround from Jake and Amy, whereby it was Jake who was the more nurturing parent.)
Part of the deal here is that Bess, stay at home mom caring for her family, probably did all the grocery shopping and cooking so Luke is not in the housekeeping mode yet.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 9, 2009 4:37 PM
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Hi, avidreader!
Come to think of it, Alex's family lawsuit against Paul - isn't it in Maryland courts? But I digress.
Yes, the lawsuit against Paul is in Baltimore, Maryland, but Paul was served in NYC. Of course, the insurance company's "office" is located in NYC as well, so I would assume that some of the attorneys (including "Mr. Ellis" - the attorney who Paul had the original appointment with - as well as Mia) have their law licenses to practice in Maryland as well.
I realize the "reasoning" behind changing the characters from "Jake & Amy" to "Luke & Bess" - and am GLAD that we don't have to see AMY any longer (who caused me to grind down my TEETH!) - but it just seems like a "re-hash" of the Jake/Amy issues with different people (which, in fact, it IS!).
And there's an excellent article on line that reflects why "In Treatment" doesn't follow the Israeli series word-for-word.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/television/article/how_israels_treatment_translates_to_success_for_hbo_20090408/
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 9, 2009 11:57 AM
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April has huge issues with letting her son go and do anything for himself. I think Paul should have said something when April said she will make the grocery list with Oliver and then he and he dad can go buy it. I think Oliver and his dad should work on that list together but April seems to put herself in the middle of everything. Oliver does not want to cause conflict so he just goes along with his mother.
These should be some good sessions!
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 9, 2009 11:12 AM
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I'm no psychologist, but can anyone, professional or not, be completely objective about anything? Last season Dr. Weston told Sophie that he loves all his patients, but must he love their parents? And, of course, there's his divorce.
Hate to beat the Israeli series horse, but Oliver is the main departure of the American version of In Treatment from the Israeli version.
By moving Dr. Weston from Maryland to Brooklyn, he gets a whole new bunch of patients. In the Israeli series Dr. Dagan, Paul's character, stays in Tel Aviv, in another apartment. The overweight, problematic child he treats is the son of Michael and Amy's characters, also divorced. By knowing the parents it was easy for me to "get" the boy.
Come to think of it, Alex's family lawsuit against Paul - isn't it in Maryland courts? But I digress.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 9, 2009 3:18 AM
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I didn't get the custody agreement. Is Oliver visiting his dad every other week or what? Anyway, it seems that Dad offers toys and Mom offers nourishment, so Oliver finally decides he wants the latter. But Bess needs to let up on the smothering, IMO, and stop berating Luke in front of their son. I just wanted to put her on "mute"!
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 7, 2009 9:40 PM
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You and I are on the same wavelength so far fortyeight about Oliver & April. We will have to see what happens and whether we always agree with what these characters are doing.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 7, 2009 12:33 PM
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I think there is mre going on with this kid than we are initially made to believe. I am getting a vibe,,he is enjoying all the fuss and already manipulating things to optimum effect. did you notice the bag of food, the toy, the football, the constant ,,:did you bring me..? or.."can i have...
Call me crass and mean and heartless..the kid will be showcased in his own right and its not going to be 100% innocent.
I do not have children. I have never had the maternal instinct thing.
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Re: Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 7, 2009 12:49 AM
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The chol;d trapped in the middle of a divorce is classic. I hope they can weave a fresh approach to the issue with Oliver 7 his parents. So far, we have laid down the main factors, but there has got to be more to be revealed than that.
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Meet the New Patients: Oliver's Parents Luke & Bess
Apr 6, 2009 4:55 PM
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Oliver's gregarious father is frustrated with his soon-to-be ex-wife's overprotective treatment of their son, but when it's his turn to play parent, he makes his share of mistakes that alienate Oliver and infuriate Bess.
Oliver's overprotective mother Bess claims she's put her life and studies on hold to raise her son. She and Luke claim to want what's best for their son, but Oliver continually ends up in the middle of their battles.
Given Paul's recent divorce do you think he'll stay objective in helping Luke & Bess in parenting Oliver from separate homes?
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