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Can anyone explain to me what actually happened in this session?
Her face kept changing as if she was having all these trascendental "revelations," (Oh so how long have you know that one?)... What happened here! ????...
So, she is going to see Paul again next week (what changed her mind?????), and I won't be able to see her... darn... the ultimate cruelty.... (sad)
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 28, 2009 6:56 PM
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> I think I agree wholeheartedly with all you say,
> Elrico. I appreciate the kind remarks, of course.
> But you have articulated plenty yourself, and plenty
Well thank you BB. It's been great fun to have you and others to play with, (smile)... at "IT." I say "play" because I hope no one takes me that SERIOUSLY... Because I am half kidding most of the time... This is just for fun. It is after all a "TV show."
> "Spiritual orgasm", indeed. A splendid expression you
(Smile...) Oh yes... I used the "spiritual orgasm" expression only to exaggerate an intense blissful state but only spiritual. Anyway, something anyone should relate to, that is assuming everyone likes orgasms... which makes wonder... could there be anyone in world (smile) who does not like orgasms?.... Never mind, I don't want to know! (smile), but that was the idea.
> (.. ahem..), what is there not to like about
> MIA?...
> I don't imagine she's everyone's cup of tea. Who is?
Oh ABSOLUTELY!... I have learned that when it comes to "taste" (liking or disliking something), if it comes from anyone's brain, it's a VALID POINT.
If someone does not like Mia... FINE.. perfectly valid point (smile)... Go ahead and say it... more fun that way (smile).
> I think we and Paul agree with Mia's assessment that
> were they to meet, to know each other now in a
> context where they could be friends, perhaps lovers,
> "that would be great."
Yes, would not that be nice?... They could at least escape their loneliness for while (smile)... and who knows...
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 28, 2009 2:19 AM
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I think I agree wholeheartedly with all you say, Elrico. I appreciate the kind remarks, of course. But you have articulated plenty yourself, and plenty well.
"Spirtual orgasm", indeed. A splendid expression you coined; one I expect to add to my vocabulary. You have aptly highlighted key points in the Mia finale and sparked many incisive remarks on this thread.
> (.. ahem..), what is there not to like about MIA?...
I don't imagine she's everyone's cup of tea. Who is? And she may remain highly neurotic and depressed.
Still, not in a way that keeps her from opening up and experiencing intimacy with Paul.
Nor so that she's too self-absorbed, too angry, not to warmly express incisive, genuine concern for Paul even in the throes of despair. Somewhat akin to Laura in how attuned she is to Paul personally.
I think we and Paul agree with Mia's assessment that were they to meet, to know each other now in a context where they could be friends, perhaps lovers, "that would be great."
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 28, 2009 12:31 AM
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> Paul didn't have all the intensity of feelings for
> Mia that he did for Laura, but I felt he's plenty
> attracted to Mia, plenty drawn to her, with gripping
> chemistry.
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> When Mia goes all-out trying to seduce him, Paul does
> bite his lip.
Babeeblues you have knocked my sucks off! (smile)
I felt what you said... but could I not put it into words as you did... Yes Paul may have been more attracted to Laura - but apparently not crazy enough... since he still living walking and breathing... and he has not even attempted to contact her inspite of his loneliness.
I also agree that he likes Mia PLENTY... As you correctly pointed it out... Paul said so to Gina as you stated it. Besides, and I maybe predujuced here (.. ahem..), what is there not to like about MIA?... She is pretty enough... successful... Intelligent... has a sense humor... irreverent at times... very spicy... VERY SEXY... and very sexual as well.
Yes I know sex, sex. sex, sex, some people may not like this, and would not life be simpler if sex did not exist? (smile).... The problem is that IT DOES!... And it colors everything... at least in the lives of those who do not have such "connection." (trust me! - smile)
Anyway, let's cut to the chase... Mia, through the years finally realized she has it all - she knows it... She knows she is sexy for instance - but also has plenty of emptiness in her life... She does not have a "connection" to anything that fills that huge VOID inside her.... So how can we blame her for being crazy about Paul?... the man who probably knows her BETTER than anyone in the world?... Besides, she knows he likes her... She knows he is lonely as well... and she can not resist the impuse to connect with him.
Oh yes, the point (smile), I really believe what that brought that happy sensation of satisfaction to her face after the "...Oh..." remark, was what I could call an "spiritual orgasm" (smile). Let me explain: No question sex is important to mia, as it probably is to most human beings. She probably had fantasies of Paul as her lover, her partner, the father of her child, completing the imaginary "perfect picure," she talks about, what she wants...
In this last episode there was plenty of sexual overtones by Mia... Remember, this was the last session with Paul in Mia's mind... So for her there was no point in wasting time. She was probably ready to go into the bedroom had Paul said yes... But now it comes the SECOND Component... The "intimacy of souls," "the connection." In other words, through Pauls calming words... she was able to merge the sexual attration with the proufound emotional connection with Paul... and that must have been an awsome feeling for her....
Paul: we have had it (intimacy)
Mia: when!... Name one time!
Paul: Now... ritht now!...
Mia: .............................................................Oh...........smile
Oh yes, how do we know that Paul was not tempted by Mia?... ("What if I said Yes?... What would happen them?"), except for his sense of ethical duties to his profession that prevented him?
Have you ever seen Mia leave Paul's office with such sweet disposition?... She was almost tender when she said to Paul.... "Ok... I will see you next week... ok?"
I would like to think... They would just be friends later on and yes.... connect.
Etc, etc, etc, etc.... What do you think?
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 27, 2009 3:47 AM
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> I think that her desperate attempt at getting Paul to
> bed was very much like what Laura did.. but because
> Paul had feelings for Laura it didn't feel so gross
> with Laura
Paul didn't have all the intensity of feelings for Mia that he did for Laura, but I felt he's plenty attracted to Mia, plenty drawn to her, with gripping chemistry.
When Mia goes all-out trying to seduce him, Paul does bite his lip.
It some ways, I think it may be even harder for Paul to resist Mia's advances: After all, he's divorced now. And I imagine on some level he realizes, as he says to Gina, that Mia could be "the sort of woman" who could be right for him if the worked through her problems. She's less "girlish", or "girl-like", though plenty playful, vulnerable, sexualized.
I was repeatedly struck how what Paul says he feels, what he wants for his life, including to Gina, echoes how Mia describes what she feels, what she wants for hers.
Both are very attuned to Paul, seem very much to "get" him, to adore and genuinely care for him as he is. Which to say, their lust is in the context of a whole lot of profound, reciprocated feelings.
Or so it seemed to me.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 27, 2009 3:28 AM
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> Mia's father.. He sounds like a very emotionally manipulative
> person and just a grade A asshole.
I agree wholeheartedly, tomarmas! I imagine most everyone does. I'm thinking he may get the award of the worst person we've heard about/encountered on IT -- which is saying a lot. It was brutal hearing about him the last couple episodes of Mia especially.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 26, 2009 1:47 PM
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"i'm glad I read some of the posts here because Mia's so called seduction scene in this last episode was totally gross to me because it was so desparate of an act. I was embarrassed for her. Now I understand the purpose of the act and Paul's response to it. Of all the characters Mia and Oliver need to be in therapy. "
I think that her desperate attempt at getting Paul to bed was very much like what Laura did.. but because Paul had feelings for Laura it didn't feel so gross with Laura.. Lust always looks gross unless you are also in lust IMO.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 26, 2009 12:38 PM
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i'm glad I read some of the posts here because Mia's so called seduction scene in this last episode was totally gross to me because it was so desparate of an act. I was embarrassed for her. Now I understand the purpose of the act and Paul's response to it. Of all the characters Mia and Oliver need to be in therapy.
Also, Mia's father...pure a-hole. I think she needs to steer clear of him until she can become stronger emotionally. She has so much of herself tied to him emotionally and now she has to protect herself from him. He sounds like a very emotionally manipulative person and just a grade A asshole.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 25, 2009 5:01 AM
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Because ultimate depths between people are beyond words, not about the language.
After Paul speaks they journey on together but you only see it on their faces and in the pause,the silence shared.
That depth of intimacy is very private and reminiscent of what happens between lovers.It can change your life,not because of the therapy or the insight, but because of the "felt moment",the experience.
Wow. Did they really show that?Thats the camera inside the head that Byrne was talking about then.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 25, 2009 3:08 AM
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I believe you're all right. The difference, as Livvy says, is that this week Paul told Mia they had initimacy. Right then and there. And it hit home. Remember how big a deal it was for Laura and how she relented when Paul finally acknowledged there was intimacy between them? (I believe in Week 4).
Elrico, I agree you hit on the 2 key breakthroughs where Paul reaches Mia, with insights that resonate with her profoundly. I also agree that as incisive and important as these insights are, it's difficult to see (except with allowances for dramatic license) how Paul unleashed these only now, and that they sunk in with Mia so quickly, seemingly effortlessly.
Fortunately, the acting is spectacular. So too much of the dialogue, as usual.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 25, 2009 1:00 AM
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I think you're right, Mia and Paul have been connecting emotionally during every session. I think the difference in this session is simply Mia was able to clearly see their emotional connection for the first time. Mia has been saying to herself that she's difficult and not capable of emotional connection. Even when she does emotionally connect, she doesn't see it or give herself credit for it. Paul had to remind her of what was obvious to him and to us -- that she was successfully connecting emotionally to him. This was a revelation to her.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 25, 2009 12:06 AM
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> have the ability to connect emotionally. She
> connected emotionally with Paul during the session.
Thanks Livvy. Great insights, I looks like I have to watch it one more time.
Still, again, what was the "connection" that took place today..... That she was so shocked about... that did not occur in the previous 5 sessions?
I mean, if connecting is intimacy... isn't that what they have been doing for the past 5 weeks?... That she liked Paul is not a secret... She was pretty obvious about it in many ways... she was just more forward today....
Her reaction... her face... the long pause... makes it seem as it this was something that happened for first time, whatever that was.... hmmm?
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 24, 2009 11:42 PM
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I've only watched once, too, so I'm not sure but I think Mia made the "how long have you known that one remark" in response to Paul saying that in her work as an attorney she defends clients who are in positions of power over others and who hurt those they are supposed to take care of. Paul was pointing out that Mia has always defended her father who was in a position of power over her but didn't take care of her properly. And, in her work, she has continued this pattern of defending those in a position of power who don't take care of others properly. This was a very powerful interpretation and resulted in Mia saying that when she came into the session she had nothing and now she was going to leave the session with less than nothing (meaning that she was not going to feel good about her work as an attorney now in addition to all of her relationship problems).
I thought this was an amazing episode. I'm glad Mia decided to stay in therapy. I think she decided to stay because what Paul said to her made sense. There are people who are married and have children who still feel lonely. What she is really looking for is a strong connection with someone and that doesn't have to come through marriage and children. She does have the ability to connect emotionally. She connected emotionally with Paul during the session. Her parents gave her a warped idea of who she really is. Her father said that she had always been a difficult child but that was really her father blaming her for his own shortcomings. He just wasn't up to the task of parenting her. (Like Luke and Bess aren't up to the task of parenting Oliver.)
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 24, 2009 11:34 PM
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How is this piece of crap on the air? Sometimes I think HBO is trying to go out of business...
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 24, 2009 11:31 PM
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> having a good relationship with her mom. I'm not
> sure about the timeline, though. Was this something
> Paul knew 20 years ago? She went away satisfied
> because therapy has helped lift the veil on her past
> illusions. OK, I'm rambling now.
Thanks Jolie, ok, I sort of understood that... It's just that I can't believe those revelations become a reality in a second's time.... Like the fact she was defending all these malpractice cases as if she was defendng her own dad... And see seemed to agree with Paul.... She was shocked of the connection...
Another one, what about the "i - word?" (smile).
(Paraphrasing)
Paul: And I know that you are capable of that (intimacy)... because we've had it.
Mia: When, name one time!
Paul: Now, right now!
Mia: .................................................................. Oh...
(shocked, transported to another world...... then she smiles)
WHAT was that about????????..... Translation please.
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Re: Good bye MIA "mia" (season 2)
May 24, 2009 10:44 PM
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Here's my take on this session after one pass over (I'll have to watch it a few more times, of course!)
Mia has always held Paul in contention because he was her therapist 20 years ago and "should" have informed her 20 years ago about what her basic problem is (her dad)....which may have been why she said "How long have you known that one?". Basically, Mia's refusal to hold her father up to the light and examine him truthfully has stood in the way of her being able to find anyone "as good as Dad". Paul pointed out some of Dad's imperfections and that, along with Mia's recent conversation with her father, prove to Mia that good old Dad had a hand in keeping Mia from having a good relationship with her mom. I'm not sure about the timeline, though. Was this something Paul knew 20 years ago? She went away satisfied because therapy has helped lift the veil on her past illusions. OK, I'm rambling now.
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