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This is the place to discuss previews and episodes On Demand. Don't look if you don't want to know!!!
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"Don't even try to break down a woman's relationship with her gynecologist. That's the deep end." - Gina
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Mar 31, 2008 6:34 PM
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I'm glad someone sees it my way...to me, Paul loved Laura enough to give her what she wanted which was him...but she loved him just as much by giving him what he wanted, a chance to prove he wasn't his father...if that isn't real love I don't know what is. Paul asks Laura, are you over me? She says "no" with a broken heart... If Laura were selfserving as so many claim, she would have jumped him right then and there and not given him a chance to really think about it....which she did...because she loved him that much and I will believe that. I loved Paul and Gina episode 4, Laura #5,6 and the funeral scene....to me that is the real Paul and Laura and I've loved every minute of it.
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Mar 29, 2008 7:51 PM
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Gruffyboy, Get out of my head Those are my thoughts as well.
Also, I keep seeing posts that Laura didn't want Paul and that she turned him away. While she did say that she didn't want to be the one to rescue him from his marriage, I feel she was letting Paul know I am in this for real and I need to know, once and for all if you are in this too. She did not say those things to him once he had his anxiety attack, HE ran out on her. So he has no idea how she reacted or what she did once he left since no discussion took place. She wanted Paul, but put the ball in his court. Notice Gina asks him to slow down and explain things again, which incidently never really is explained by Paul other than that "while I was trying to make up my mind, she changed hers". She never said she didn't want him anymore. THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!! Every scene, every action, every word spoken can have so many meanings on so many levels. I think Im going to watch it On Deman right now 
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Mar 29, 2008 7:43 PM
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Also I thought the whole thing about Laura taking him into the bedroom was just like that teacher giving him the opportunity to kiss her back when he was a youngster...he ran then and he ran from Laura. Laura knew that. She did it to help Paul not to hurt him. She was trying to help him see what he really wanted....
i thought of the teacher story immediately...on another thread i wrote that paul had given laura the blueprint for her response to him with the teacher story.
initially i thought laura consciously was giving paul his future in the same way the teacher gave paul the wake up call that shocked him out of his fantasy. then, i realized that both characters are so severely dysfunctional that neither is capable of healthy giving and the motivation for what they were doing wasn't conscious at all. they are both acting out. it's no wonder the whole thing felt bizarre.
perfect staging that had them sitting in front of that poster reading ABSTRACT. someone else mentioned this.
the whole thing is a jumble of mixed messages from both of them. that's because they*re both confused...and need therapy.
poor paul...apparently he has taken his eyes off his instruments during a severe bout of vertigo.
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Mar 29, 2008 6:48 PM
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which just confirms my point that it was left at Laura's...a reason to go see her again.....you know keep it going. Let's face it there really wasn't any reason for him to have it, he had on a jacket. it was actually sort of odd. Also I thought the whole thing about Laura taking him into the bedroom was just like that teacher giving him the opportunity to kiss her back when he was a youngster...he ran then and he ran from Laura. Laura knew that. She did it to help Paul not to hurt him. She was trying to help him see what he really wanted....That is how I saw it in my head.
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Mar 29, 2008 5:54 PM
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interesting insight. But, he couldn't have taken it to Ginas. He had a panic attack at Lauras and told Gina he ran from the bedroom right out of the house gasping for breath.
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Mar 29, 2008 4:59 PM
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I noticed the coat deal with Paul too, but I thought it ws sort of security blanket type thing....I don't think it's a pending law suit, if anything it is a reason to go see Laura again....leaving it there was something for sure...then not having it at Gina's....He does feel confortable with Gina, not with Kate, not with Laura....My hope is Paul is not done with Laura....
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Mar 28, 2008 12:38 AM
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L2Teach posted this about the final episode on another thread, but it's better here. I find it a very intriguing question:
"In the final episode of week 9, Paul is carrying (not wearing) around his black coat, if you notice. He carries it into Kate's room when he tells her he is going over Laura's.
"He carries it out of the house and into the car. He takes it out of the car and into Laura's house, where she says, 'Can I take your coat?' Laura puts it on the sofa where it is constantly televised (on the sofa, next to the poster called abstract, etc. etc. I think the writers are playing to the audience (as they did in Sopranos in final episode) to set us up for season 2. I believe he left the coat there when he ran out of Laura's with a panic attack. I think it's evidence for a probable lawsuit by Laura against Paul. If not, then that whole thing with his coat was quite ridiculous.
"What do you think? I'd love to get some input on this."
L2teach.
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Mar 27, 2008 7:50 PM
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15 year olds have half-baked brains, they may think they know it all but let's be honest they don't. Laura was taken advantage of in her youth and since we all know road leads to road and way leads to way...she had been living her whole life going the wrong way...I do believe Paul helped her get back on track, the right road, but I also believe Paul fell for her and I too believe she in her own way loved Paul. She loved him enough to not just fuck him whcih if she had really responded to him when he came over would have happened. But she didn't, she knew what was at stake...the bedroom scene was simply letting Paul see the truth. She knew going in there that nothing would happen. I do hope they can possibily meet again when their heads and hearts are alittle clearer. I'd love to see them have a cup of coffee and really talk without all the drama hanging over them....it's just the way I see it. The power of anticipation and making one wait is an awesome power and that is was "In Treatment" did this season. I think they did that in the end episode for a reason..who knows what is ahead for Paul and that was the goal.....game,set and match HBO.
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Mar 27, 2008 6:36 PM
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> All I was pointing out was that Laura may
> have been a promiscuous 15 year old. There are plenty
> of them.
How could she have been "promiscuous" if she'd never had sex before? It was David who in the end made it a sexual involvement--he was the adult. He was a close friend of the family. He knew this was a heart-broken little kid having lost her mother. The more I think about it the sorrier I feel for Laura--a character, by the way, whom I for the most part loathed while watching the show.
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Mar 27, 2008 5:51 PM
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> Allow me to clarify --- Of course, David was the
> predator and Laura the victim because she was 15. I
> didn't say it was OK. What I was saying was she
> painted the picture of being helpless and I don't
> believe her. I do work in a Psych Unit, and I have
> seen many victims like this, and like you I'm sorry
> to say. All I was pointing out was that Laura may
> have been a promiscuous 15 year old. There are plenty
> of them.
curly1b13
I am sure you mean well, but for the record, victims like us (as you so refer) respond to others in various ways because people like you, well, find us...unbelievable. It is one of the many reasons why I kept my experience very private for many, many years.
I agree with you that victims respond differently. Fortunately, I have never had the experience you mention but with that said, I can't help but wonder if those you describe respond that way because they have always been perceived by others as being unbelieveable and manipulative.
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Mar 27, 2008 2:16 PM
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Allow me to clarify --- Of course, David was the predator and Laura the victim because she was 15. I didn't say it was OK. What I was saying was she painted the picture of being helpless and I don't believe her. I do work in a Psych Unit, and I have seen many victims like this, and like you I'm sorry to say. All I was pointing out was that Laura may have been a promiscuous 15 year old. There are plenty of them.
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Mar 27, 2008 1:21 PM
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> I do not think anyone
> willingly wishes to be molested whether it's
> age five or fifteen. You are entitled to your
> opinion. Having experienced it first hand, I have a
> right to strongly disagree.
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I agree with you. Laura was a victim of David, and I hope there's a special place in hell for f---ers like him. That's why I think it's really grotesque that Paul would break the rules with her (as I feel he did), and unbelievable that they could have a mature love given that she was his patient. Either the writers of this show think that love is otherworldly and impossible to understand or they understood Paul to be in a deep deep crisis.
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Mar 27, 2008 11:26 AM
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I don't believe she was
> unwillingly molested. I don't believe a single word
> from this selfish, egotistical, controlling craphead.
> She is having a great time messing with Paul's head
> and teasing him, and talking about "testing" her and
> it's all a bunch of B.S. I don't think she cares
> about his children, his wife, his losing his
> profession or reputation, or his future. That isn't
> love.
Clearly, you have never known someone who was molested at an early age. I do not think anyone willingly wishes to be molested whether it's age five or fifteen. You are entitled to your opinion. Having experienced it first hand, I have a right to strongly disagree.
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Mar 27, 2008 11:08 AM
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I don't know if Paul is really in love with Laura or not. I think he just strongly wants someone to really love him. Even Kate, he looked at her with those eyes and was so "scared." As Rosie said, he needs to fix it. Secondly, I don't believe one iota of anything Laura has ever said. I don't believe she was unwillingly molested. I don't believe a single word from this selfish, egotistical, controlling craphead. She is having a great time messing with Paul's head and teasing him, and talking about "testing" her and it's all a bunch of B.S. I don't think she cares about his children, his wife, his losing his profession or reputation, or his future. That isn't love. I don't care if I never see her again. Neither should he.
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Mar 27, 2008 10:22 AM
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watched the last Sopie, really sweet, I hope they have that character back.
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