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Caught in a compromising position, Sam shares a secret with an incredulous Sookie. Thinking she's been purged of her demon, Tara celebrates with Lettie Mae - but goes off the deep end when she uncovers Miss Jeanette's true intentions. Sookie has a disturbing revelation during Arlene and Rene's engagement party at Merlotte's; Jason and Amy debate what to do with Eddie; and Tara speeds into a bizarre roadside encounter that lands her in jail. At a vampire tribunal to decide his fate, Bill faces a harsh penalty for his offense, but the magister decides on a more creative sentence involving a young human named Jessica.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 11:39 PM
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VGannon said:
Vasev,,this is a work of fiction and is not intended in any way to be a lesson in morals. Pulease. look at the show Big Love or Californication. It is simply entertainment."
VGannon, sorry but I disagree, in both shows that you mention every thing that happens is either voluntary or they at least gives passing reference to right and wrong. In Weeds the law is always a concern, and the show does not suggest that it's ok or a good idea to go be a pot dealer.
I see, "it is fiction" used to justify a lot that is on, and usually I agree 100%! But, not even in the Soprano's did they try to justify or gloss over rape cases. I can't think of a single piece of fiction, out side of porn, that treats rape or acts very similar to rape in such a blase fashion.
I am not saying that it shouldn't be in the show! What I am saying is that the show has a subplot about the civil rights implications, the nature of prejudice and how social change can for a time heighten that as people become afraid of change. All of which are legitimate and valuable topics for fiction.
I would simply like to see one of the "news broadcasts" addressing the ongoing murders, and the "issue" of glamors as a date rape drug. Hell, I'll bet it would be a great addition, as well as being socially conscientious.
This is something the show is obviously trying to do in the civil rights arena, so one can't just write off the omission as it not being relevant to the plot or the story, not when you show a girl begging for her very life while a crowd stands around and cheers as the "hero" rips her throat out.
I would bet you hard money that not a single person here would say "Pulease." if say the show had ignored the burning out of the vampires as an important event, which is reminiscent of things that actually happened in the civil rights struggles, or worse didn't even give a nod to the fact that it was wrong / illegal.
All I am saying is that having date rapes occur with the use of the glamours, without even acknowledging that it is wrong is on the same order.
How would this community react if Jason and Amy are allowed to kidnap, torture and murder someone, as was just done, and the writers turn around and do nothing to say that just maybe this wasn't right?
One of the interesting discussions we have had going on here, around this show, is that the entire vampire legend is built up around what is essentially the ability of some "creature" to drug, rape, and murder their victims while being glamorized for doing so.
The point I'm trying to make is this, in America today it would be considered wrong to say glorify or glamorize the beliefs and actions of the KKK. Any show that did so would have the full force of our society fall on it! What I am saying is that RAPE today is every bit the problem that racism is, and yet we allow fiction to make light of it, ignore it or even glamorize it
This is not a message that we as a society should be allowing to be sent, anymore then a racist message would be.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 11:22 PM
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I appreciate you're trying to fill folks in but if it didn't happen on the show it didn't happen. Ball has been changing a lot of stuff for one but for another, you shouldn't have to see/read anything else for a show to hold together.
Just my two cents....
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 11:06 PM
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As concerning the moral implications of the last episode, I agree that what the vampires are doing is morally wrong. In fact, I think the horror of the last scene being akin to rape was intentional. The point was that vampires can and often are cruel and evil, and Bill is a vampire regardless of his struggle with his inner humanity (see lapses like with the cop or with Sookie's Uncle). Bill was forced into violence at the trial, and although that doesn't make it right, his attempts to glamor Jessica were out of mercy. Besides, I imagine worse things happening if Bill kept refusing. The entire ordeal was meant to be disturbing. So, in conclusion, vampires using and abusing humans is indeed wrong, but I was not left with the impression that the show was ever trying to glamorize (no pun intended) violence. The fact that the vampires and Jason and Amy aren't immediately arrested and brought to trial (by superhumans, I guess) isn't much of a justification. It wouldn't make for a good fantasy-drama if they were.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:57 PM
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VaSevtocher:
My first thought is that you aren't "getting" the vampire culture of the show. Vamps in the True Blood universe are relatively newly "mainstreaming" and have a whole set of their own rules that mere humans aren't privy to. Vamps don't go through the human judicial system, especially not in small towns. The vamps in the books the series are based on are especially secretive throughout all of the eight books written so far.
Secondly, vampire mystique is tied to their ability to glamour and take blood or sex as they want. Watching it on HBO doesn't make me think of the problem of rape in this country, but I am enjoying the show as a work of fiction. I urge you to disengage and enjoy the show as a form of entertainment in the future.
Bill is a complex character and I think the show does an excellent job of marrying the duality of Bill as a compassionate hero who is grappling with his demons as a vampire. I personally found it interesting that he didn't want to turn the girl ... I feel that the Bill in the books would probably have no problem with it, but it may be that the first person narrative simply didn't expose us to this part of his character.
I hope I didn't offend you as your post was very personal. Thanks for sharing on the boards!
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:52 PM
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uh gcook I think you mean Terry ,,he is just too sweet to be the killer.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:49 PM
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I agree..Andy really has no motives..he's just a war veteran who hallucinates from time to time about the war.
The Only thing that made Andy a suspect was when he commented to Sookie stating..he wish some of his dead ppl were still around or something of that nature...WIERD???
Sam..he is too in love w/Sookie.
Jason..is not built for that..he is a lover..not a fighter..lol
ANY OTHER GUESSES??????
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:45 PM
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Yo..first all I'm new to this..so be easy on me!! LOL.
I've been watching this show since DAY 1 & I love all parts of this show!! I wish the show was longer and it is very sad that there is only TWO episodes left!! The last & final episode should be TWO hours!! BILL is the man and he NEEDS MORE air time!!! I believe BILL really makes the show go and it's amazing how he is the only vampire willing to mingle with the humans although the majority of population despise him.
I would like to make it clear that I'm not glamorizing the whole vampire culture...BUT WHAT IF vampires interacted with the real WorlD?? This show opens ur mind up to different perspectives in life. The viewers don't have to agree..But I'm DEFINITELY in LOVE w/the show!! I'M already anticipating this upcoming show @ 9p. NO matter what I have planned on SundayS..around 9p..I'm tuned in to HBO for TRUE BLOOD!!
WHAT R WE GOING TO DO ONCE THIS SERIES IS OVER??? HBO needs to hurry up and renew the contract...ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:27 PM
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what if andys the killer he gets no respect from anyone in town
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:25 PM
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anyone know where else the music that was playing during the tribunal scenes a sort of erie harmonica has been in sounds so familiar
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:13 PM
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well said vgannon50. This show takes me away from the real world. That is why people love it so much. Why so serious?? I feel like the joker.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:02 PM
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Vasev,,this is a work of fiction and is not intended in any way to be a lesson in morals. Pulease. look at the show Big Love or Californication. It is simply entertainment.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM
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Just go to the spoiler thread,,,it is on there a lot and doesn't really give anything else away.
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 9:57 PM
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Seriously???
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM
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i agree spill the beans....does anyone really know anyway?
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Re: Ep 10: I Don't Wanna Know
Nov 10, 2008 9:49 PM
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This has become my wife and my favorite show, but we don't get to watch it until Monday night.This episode had some things in it that bothered me a lot and her almost as much. So we are wondering if it's just us.
First, we have agreed that while most if not all of the vampires have committed homicide without proof on a case by case basis nothing should be done until proof is available. Second, glamoring and then using, or otherwise forcing someone, for blood is a crime equivalent to rape and should be treated as such. Using a glamor to acquire sex is no different then the use of a date rape drug and is also rape. Given the continuing problem with rape in this country I really don't like this being glossed over or made light of, fiction or no fiction.
My daughter is student at NYU and has been very involved with "Take back the night" and she agrees that this is one aspect of the show that is very irresponsible on HBO's part. We don't care that it exists, but that it is not CONDEMNED in no uncertain terms is just morally and ethically wrong.
So, in this episode, unlike in at least the first book I haven't read book two as yet, Bill becomes guilty of homicide, and the death throes of his victim looked disturbingly like a rape scene. That is a woman overpowered, and then assaulted to death while violating her body and her will.
Bill was innocent of any wrong doing in the bar scene because he met an attempted murder of Sookie with equivalent force given the circumstances and the amount of time he had to act in. However that should be left up to a court to decide, not the people standing around, and certainly not some drum head trail run by an escapee from the Spanish Inquisition!
Also, Bill's glamor of the highway patrol officer and the theft of his gun was a felony, and the show treated it as if Bill were the good guy and the officer was the doing something wrong. To me any use of a glamor to obtain anything is a crime.
So, how can we continue to look at this story with Bill as a "hero" character when he is guilty of a murder with his victim literally begging for her life! I do have some sympathy for the fact that he was being forced to do so with a threat against his own life, which makes his involvement one for the courts and a jury, I wouldn't presume to guess what would be "right" in that case. BUT, it should be a judge and jury that does decide, nothing less.
As for the Magister, and it would seem Eric as well as many others there, they are guilty of kidnapping, assault and capital murder, no excuses for them are presented at all. Please note, in VA, causing the death of anyone while in the commission of another felony is automatically capital murder. The Magister reminds me a bit of the Manson Family case, with him as "good ole Charlie".
So, doesn't it bother anyone else that these citizens are running around committing a type of rape, assault, and murder? More so that the HERO is doing so? It seems to me that the Vampire community wants and claims the rights as citizens without lifting a finger to either police themselves or to assist law enforcement in doing so.
The same holds true for Jason and Amy, they should be arrested for similar crimes against the vampire, kidnapping, torture, and capital murder. By the same token, Jason doesn't get a pass, he was involved in the kidnapping, and maintained the unlawful imprisonment, participated in the violation of the vampire by draining him of his blood, and the death of his victim makes him as guilty as Amy.
In fact, it looks to me like the real hero of the story is Sam, and I hope Sookie can get past her bout of racism and see that.
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