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If you've read the books and would like to discuss [future] plot lines, please do it here so as not to spoil it for those who are new to the series - thanks!
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Sep 24, 2009 1:35 AM
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Its just a thought. I still don't think we've seen the last of Lorena. I read everyone's theories and it gets my brain swirling with possibilities. There are many ways S3 can go, and ur right AB don't do obvious, but he does try to stay with the main plots of the books. If it holds true for S3, then Lorena has Bill.
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Sep 24, 2009 1:26 AM
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With AB anything is possible but IMO I seriously doubt the king of Mississippi would be doing any favors for a lowly area sheriff in Louisiana. He might be allowing Bill to be held at his compound for a fellow royal like the Queen or he might allow it for a vamp who was one of his subjects; if the vamp could promise him info against another Royal, but I do not think Eric is high enough in the food chain.
I'm still betting on Lorena and that her current domicile might be as one of Russell's subjects. IMO she knew Bill was in the Queens service (Maybe that was his employment after he left Lorena in the 30's) and that Lorena has promised Russell that Bill can provide information that Russell can use as leverage against Sophie Anne since her kingdom is richer than his.
Eric still does not know Bill is in the Queen's service even though he suspects. Eric has nothing to gain with Bill's disappearance It would not get him Sookie and the Queen would be p*ssed when she finds out and blame Eric (that is if she did not instigate the kidnapping). Besides that Eric is the obvious suspect and AB does not do obvious. Add to that Lorena is Bill's maker and can feel him and know where he is and that Eric has no blood bond with Bill and would have to find him by following him. Might be hard to do while he is playing Yatzee to 5 million
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Edited by luvvamps at 09/23/2009 10:27 PM PDT
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Edited by luvvamps at 09/23/2009 10:35 PM PDT
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Sep 24, 2009 1:16 AM
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I dont think so cuz they way it ended with Lorena running off just BEGS for her to come back more determined and pissed off than before. She's not one to give up easily, evident in the flashback scenes of her and Bill. She's more desperate this time around.
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Sep 24, 2009 1:11 AM
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I guess it's possible Eric contacted Lorena again but it would be kind of repetitive, no?
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Sep 24, 2009 12:56 AM
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What if...
Eric sent Lorena to kidnap Bill with instructions that Bill never know it was ordered by Eric. Which Bill might not even suspect Eric being behind it cuz Bill knows Lorena was NOT happy with how it ended and he would think it was her way of trying to get him back. After all in the show she did come running when Eric summoned her to keep Bill hostage once before so Eric could be her hero. This would accomplish Eric's 2 objectives, taking care of Bill for the Queen and Sookie needing his help. I think alot of this will play out like in the book. Sookie ending up in Jackson, meeting Alcide, etc. Then Sookie finally does rescue Bill and stake Lorena, cuz we all know that bitch NEEDS to die.
I think the trunk thing HAS to happen cuz it sets the up the plot for book 4 and book Sookie's mixed feelings for Bill.
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Sep 23, 2009 11:38 PM
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> > I'm also thinking it will be revealed early on
> in
> > Season 3 thus making Sookie conflicted about
> rescuing
> > Bill.
> >
> > That's just my theory/assumption anyway.
>
> I hope you are right because it is the only plausible
> way for Sookie to start seeing Eric in a new light.
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> AB already said Eric and Sookie would be working
> together a lot in S3 and that Sookie would have a
> hard time resisting the Eric attraction but I can't
> see that happening if she thinks that she and Bill
> are still the happy couple.
>
> I have been a little disappointed with some of the
> logic in S2 so I will keep my fingers crossed on this
> one.
I'm right there with ya. I think they'll get it together in S3, though. 
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Sep 23, 2009 11:37 PM
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> > What do you think will be the reaction of the viewers when the sh*t hits the fan?
Honestly it seems that majority of viewers(even ones who haven't read the books) would be excited. A lot of them seem to find Bill as boring and one dimensional as I do.
I'm a big E/S shipper but I'm not in any hurry for them to get together. From a series standpoint it's logical for them to break up Sookie and Bill because it opens Sookie up to more people/things/adventures etc. I don't know about you but watching Bill and Sookie go on adventures together doesn't sound all that fun to me--it sounds predictable and boring.
Also, if she doesn't find out soon she won't be open to anything with Alcide and frankly, the hope that they'd eventually get together is what kept Alcide coming back, I think. Their friendship was a great one and I'd love to see it on the show.
I'm also really into all that packmaster stuff and I just don't see it happening if Sookie is head over heels for Bill while she's in Jackson. Sure, nothing really happened with Alcide but a bond was formed and I don't see if it can be formed the same way without her questioning her relationship with Bill and all.
Oh and otherwise Alcide would be like another Sam, a good friend who is secretly in love with her and I'm sorry but one of those on the show is enough for me.
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Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM
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I think Bill/Sookie fans will have t realize that Bill did it to himself by not revealing the truth BEFORE he asked her to marry him.
To me, that is the betrayal.
If he had told the truth before he slept with her, then there would have been no problem
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Sep 23, 2009 10:03 PM
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> I'm also thinking it will be revealed early on in
> Season 3 thus making Sookie conflicted about rescuing
> Bill.
>
> That's just my theory/assumption anyway.
I hope you are right because it is the only plausible way for Sookie to start seeing Eric in a new light.
AB already said Eric and Sookie would be working together a lot in S3 and that Sookie would have a hard time resisting the Eric attraction but I can't see that happening if she thinks that she and Bill are still the happy couple.
I have been a little disappointed with some of the logic in S2 so I will keep my fingers crossed on this one.
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Sep 23, 2009 10:00 PM
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> I'm about 90% sure they're going to expose Bill's
> mission on the show and that it's going to be
> similiar to the one he had in the books.
> I say this because otherwise future seasons of TB
> would be a bit compromised and also based on some of
> the evidence we've seen on the show--it's clear Bill
> has an ulterior motive and that he's hiding something
> more from Sookie.
> I'm also thinking it will be revealed early on in
> Season 3 thus making Sookie conflicted about rescuing
> Bill.
>
> That's just my theory/assumption anyway.
What do you think will be the reaction of the viewers when the sh*t hits the fan?
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Sep 23, 2009 9:52 PM
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I'm about 90% sure they're going to expose Bill's mission on the show and that it's going to be similiar to the one he had in the books.
I say this because otherwise future seasons of TB would be a bit compromised and also based on some of the evidence we've seen on the show--it's clear Bill has an ulterior motive and that he's hiding something more from Sookie.
I'm also thinking it will be revealed early on in Season 3 thus making Sookie conflicted about rescuing Bill.
That's just my theory/assumption anyway.
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Sep 23, 2009 9:39 PM
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> > I finally was able to bring myself to rewatch
> the
> > finale (it was just too distressing intially!)
> and I
> > realize that I misread Hadley's reaction to
> Eric
> > saying that Bill is in love with Sookie.
> Watching
> > again, and pairing with her apparent jealousy
> over
> > S-A jumping Eric, I realize that what she was
> > displaying was jealousy that Sookie is getting
> love
> > from a vamp while she is not (she's just one of
> the
> > harem). I watched that scene a couple of times
> when
> > I realized that, and I'm pretty sure I'm reading
> it
> > right now. So I doubt Hadley abducted Bill to
> > "protect" Sookie.
I've rewatched the finale many, many, many times already (seriously, I need to do something else besides eat, sleep, work and watch), and I think I agree with your take on that moment. Hadley was surprised and jealous, I think, since her relationship with the Queen is far from loving - "get out," etc.
> I think Hadley's reaction could be read in that way.
> The other plausible explanation is that she knows why
> Bill is with Sookie and she is expressing shock that
> he has allowed himself to fall in love with a woman
> who is supposed to be nothing more to him than a
> political conquest.
I didn't get that impression when she and Bill were talking in episode 2.11, though. Hadley seemed happy with a chance to talk to Bill alone and ask about Sookie and Gran. If she saw Bill as a threat to them or as someone who had ill intentions, I can't imagine she'd be so buddy-buddy with him.
> After all she is the one who told SA about Sookie's
> abilities in the first place so it's a fair bet that
> she understands SA's motives in sending Bill to Bon
> Temps. We know that is the case in ITB and it's safe
> to assume based on what we've seen that is her role
> in TB as well.
I can't go with that assumption yet. It could very well play that way, but I need more info to know for sure. Someone has mentioned here that on the S1 blu-ray there is mention of Hadley always protecting Sookie when they were younger, so why would she open Sookie up to possible exploitation in that way? Unless she did it by accident and then couldn't stop the Queen from moving on Sookie.
I haven't actually watched my blu-ray discs yet since I can't figure out how to work the damn player. LOL
> Hadley knowing about Bill's agenda also explains why
> Bill is so not keen to see Hadley playing catch up
> with her cousin.
If you go back and watch that scene again, Bill doesn't say anything to Hadley about not getting in touch with Sookie. He actually says that after she asks about Gran. Now it could certainly be extended to cover Sookie too, but I thought that moment was more about Bill not wanting to tell Hadley that Gran is dead. Whether that's out of sadness or sympathy or self-interest - alliteration is my friend - I think it's up to the viewer to decide. I tend to think it's a combination of the three.
> I don't think Hadley took Bill. I'm not seeing much
> of a motive for initiating a cliffhanger. I reckon
> Russell Edgington is behind it and Lorena was
> probably the one who got her hands dirty.
I truly have no idea who did it, and I like that. Hadley would be one of my last guesses. Eric and Lorena are obvious choices. Maybe Sam's Bill dreams have started and he kidnapped Bill for some sexytimes? Who knows? I think we may see someone early on next season and know they are the physical abductor, but then we'll find out that they are working for a higher power thus making Bill's kidnapping have multiple layers of fcuked-uppedness.
~Lou
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Sep 23, 2009 9:35 PM
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> Show Sookie is someone I not only dislike but someone
> I hate. She is everything book Sookie is not; to be
> fair, I sometimes wonder if her behavior is the
> reason I hate Bill so much since book Bill was
> someone I was able to tolerate.
>
> Anyway, let's recap, shall we?
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> 1. Laffy breaks law by being a drug dealer, a vampire
> drug dealer, among things. Eric finds Laffy, keeps
> him in basement as punishment until he talks or gives
> Eric information of value. To be fair, Eric did bite
> him and hold him in a filthy area - but shoot? Nope.
> Kick him? Nope.
> Maenaed attacks Sookie, Sookie is dying and poisoned,
> -->Bill brings to Eric, Eric has connections to
> doctor, with Eric's help doctor comes and saves
> Sookie's life.
> Result: Sookie is a bitch and all pissy about Laffy
> (oh hey, your life was just saved by this guy, this
> doctor, and their connections. Slapping him was over
> the top, and he took it like a sexual champ. Love
> that scene, and its the only one of the three I
> wasn't stewing in anger over.
>
> 2. Eric wants to find Godric with Sookie and Dallas
> vamps. Sookie volunteers herself to infiltrate FOTS,
> Eric trusts her ability and agrees with eagerness to
> find Godric, and the plan goes in action. She gets
> almost raped and Godric saves her, with Eric coming
> short after with news of Godric/Sookie. Eric - "I
> sacrafice myself for Godric's freedom, and the girl's
> as well". This was said while he was on the table
> burning in silver chains, so don't get it twisted. He
> didn't NEED to say Sookie's name if he only cared
> about Godric. If he didn't care for her, why bother
> asking for her freedom? He was going to die; no use
> to fuel his political agenda as he is becoming crisp
> vampire meat. Afterwards, no thank yous. Instead, he
> asks her if she is okay (there is no reason other
> than he cared if she was okay) and she bombards him
> saying he knew about FOTS being the abductor and he
> would risk anything for Godric. Well, bitch..that's
> his maker and companion. Why would he say screw
> Godric, Sookie let's go do the no pants dance? To me
> -- this is where book Sookie would of shined. She was
> confident in her abilities, not like show Sookie who
> can't even hear Hugo?
>
> 3.) He saves your life shielding you from silver
> bullets which would of killed you and you tell him
> "get off you weigh a ton"?! Again, I was outraged.
>
> He saves your life, you slap him for abducting
> your deviant friend who exchanges sex for drugs. Hmm,
> which one is the evil one? (And I LIKE Laffy).
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> It was your idea to infiltrate, and your fault you
> got caught...He saves your life and sacrifices his
> own and you bitch at him for motives?
>
> He shields you and saves your life and you bitch
> about his weight. How dare he throw that body mass in
> front of me and on top, what does he think he is
> doing, saving my life? BEEEEEEEL?
>
> Gag.
ROFLMAO! Somebody beat me to the 5 stars again!
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Sep 23, 2009 9:34 PM
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This doesn't really qualify as a spoiler...but if we are comparing books to tv...
I was first introduced to TB via HBO. When S2 ended I started the books and I just finished book 3.
I am totally Team Eric...but I like TVEric.
OK actually I prefer Eric in both TV and books but for different reasons.
Book Eric is cute and funny and snarky. Book Bill is rather bland...and he's a cheat. I cannot abide a cheater. However BookEric is not the stuff that my fantasies are made of.
TVEric is a bad boy. A real bad boy (not the fake kind that populate romance novels, which I can no longer read because I am sick to death of gettting a saintly hero wrapped in a bad boy suit). But TVEric is the real deal that makes my little warped heart go pitter pat.
So in essence I like the artistic liberty AB took with the characters. I completely understand the complaint of book fans that Eric's character has been assassinated...because it has. BookEric is pretty much...well he's the hero. And BookBill is no saint.
I actually like AB's characterizations better and I still want Eric to get the girl.
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Sep 23, 2009 8:35 PM
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Hey, madomako, welcome! You'll love it here, it's so fun comparing the books to the show and vice versa!! We need more people to come bang their heads into the wall with us. 
I'm about to read through the book series for the 3rd time, although I'm waiting (patiently...Ok, not so much) for the Touch of Dead release (already got my pre-ordered from Amazon, so should be any day now!) so I can read the short stories in the sequence they were written between the books. I know how fast I fly through these things, so I want to make sure I have that book in my hands before I crack the cover of Dead Until Dark again.
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