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If you've read the books and would like to discuss [future] plot lines, please do it here so as not to spoil it for those who are new to the series - thanks!
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Nov 6, 2009 11:06 AM
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WEll i like this side of eric that she has shown us if and when she writes the other side of him she can go to town and throw in all the bad stuff she wants to until then i will keep this side and know that yes he can and is ruthless.
He is VAMPIRE and to live all this time he had to have been ruthless and willing to do somethings that the normal human psyche would cringe from but its all in the game called survival.
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Nov 6, 2009 11:05 AM
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> Well, we are getting more and more insights into CH's
> psyche, aren't we. Maybe it is part of the hype and
> she doesn't mean any of it, but maybe this explains
> why Eric had to get amnesia before Sookie would
> "yield", LOL.
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> CH wants the bad boy, but wants to control him, this
> dichotomy is probably some of what propels her to
> o write about the characters that she has created.
Oh I LIKE it.
Book 4 and amnesia Eric was written for a reason.
That whole book was devoted to exposing Eric for who he is without the politics and power. The politics and power is what Sookie complains about with Eric constantly.
I read book 4 again recently and it really stuck me how much Sookie let her guard down. She calls Eric "baby" and "honey", she touches him constantly in ways she doesn't in other books because she's so intimidated by who and what he is - she totally surrendered herself to an intimate relationship in that book.
I think that in the last two books, DAG particularly, those layers of Eric are being exposed for real, without the curse shrouding things. And I do agree with you that Charlaine seems to be struggling with where to take Eric because he has taken on a life of his own.
Even she admits that writing him is unpredictable at times.
I have big thoughts about what you said but I'm going away to think about it. It bears examining 
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Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM
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Now I am wondering if the "Eric is bad" hype is about the Eric and Godric flashbacks we are going to see S3. We know Godric considered himself Death when he met Eric, his fuching maker wasn't very sagacious was he/she?
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Nov 6, 2009 11:00 AM
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> Well not to be annoying Eric did kill the were on the
> highway so if we want to count who he killed we can
> count him and the fairies but hey those killings were
> not unprovoked the damn were shot him and the fairy
> was going kill him and sookie so yeah they deserved
> killing.
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> But what charlaine should have said to explain
> herself eric is bad but he has not been bad around
> sookie so she just knows he has a reputation for
> being bad and since the story is told from sookie's
> point of view, having not witnesses any instance
> except the highway one its not mentioned. but no you
> writers just have to keep trying to tell us things
> you dont write trying to sell with your mouth after
> the fact instead of with the pen damn just write it
> already.
One thing I have truly appreciated about AB's presentation of the story has been his portrayal of Bill's true nature versus Eric's. Bill is a sadistic killer, as evidenced by his time with Lorena. Whereas Eric is a savage killer, which IMO is far different from the mental torture and cruelty Bill has used to kill. Eric is very low to anger, but once provoked, kills quickly and completely. That scene with Bill and Lorena torturing and killing that couple, still gives me the shivers and the creeps.
But that is the difference between Eric and Bill to me.
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Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM
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> Charlaine Harris: "I'm not denying that's one side
> of Eric, but he's also a ruthless killer and I think
> some of my readers tend to forget that in their
> enthusiasm for his sexier habits."
Well, we are getting more and more insights into CH's psyche, aren't we. Maybe it is part of the hype and she doesn't mean any of it, but maybe this explains why Eric had to get amnesia before Sookie would "yield", LOL.
CH wants the bad boy, but wants to control him, this dichotomy is probably some of what propels her to write about the characters that she has created.
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Nov 6, 2009 10:10 AM
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yep all the instances that he killed were in self defense and they were the ones sookie witnesssed so if sookie does not see him committing a crime what does charlaine who writes the book from sookie's point of view want us to do dream them up?
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Nov 6, 2009 8:20 AM
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> Well not to be annoying Eric did kill the were on the
> highway so if we want to count who he killed we can
> count him and the fairies but hey those killings were
> not unprovoked the damn were shot him and the fairy
> was going kill him and sookie so yeah they deserved
> killing.
Yep he did drain the were but he shot him and had sookie by the throat so self defence would be valid on that.
He and Bill slaughtered a group of weres at Sookie's house in CD - but again, self defence...and Bill was right there in the thick of it too, as he was with the fairies in DAG.
In ATD he relished the slaughter that happened at the summit - "bowling for vampires!" and Sookie says that he was right into the battle. That's a viking for you and again they weren't innocents.
I just can't think of a time where he has killed for the fun of it.
In the very first book, Bill says about Eric - "he hardly ever kills anymore - he is so old he only needs a sip".
She makes a fricking *point* of saying that he doesn't kill gratuitiously, and the books bear that out.
He is a killer but he also shows restraint. It's an interesting contrast to Bill, who has much more trouble with restraint because he is young.
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Nov 6, 2009 7:35 AM
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Well not to be annoying Eric did kill the were on the highway so if we want to count who he killed we can count him and the fairies but hey those killings were not unprovoked the damn were shot him and the fairy was going kill him and sookie so yeah they deserved killing.
But what charlaine should have said to explain herself eric is bad but he has not been bad around sookie so she just knows he has a reputation for being bad and since the story is told from sookie's point of view, having not witnesses any instance except the highway one its not mentioned. but no you writers just have to keep trying to tell us things you dont write trying to sell with your mouth after the fact instead of with the pen damn just write it already.
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Nov 5, 2009 11:41 PM
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> Yup, just like all of Fangtasia's bartenders, lol.
Yep we've just about got enough Sookie victims to start a freaking charity.
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Nov 5, 2009 11:38 PM
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> >
> > Let's not forget that Sookie herself has a
> rather
> > sinister past offing Rene, Lorena and Debbie
> Pelt.
> > Seems like Eric is the least sinister of
> this
> > s group....
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> Totally! It's not like Sookie is an innocent at this
> point either.
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> I hope Eric doesn't have any exes that he still wants
> to keep around because once she finds out about 'em
> they're as good as dead.
Yup, just like all of Fangtasia's bartenders, lol.
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Nov 5, 2009 11:35 PM
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> > >
> > > Charlaine Harris: "I'm not denying that's
> one
> > side
> > > of Eric, but he's also a ruthless killer
> and I
> > think
> > > some of my readers tend to forget that in
> their
> > > enthusiasm for his sexier habits."
> > >
> >
> > okay, I know it's late and I am really tired,
> but who
> > exactly did Eric ever kill? Maybe I look at him
> > through rose colored glasses, but I can't think
> of
> > one being he killed. I am sure I must be wrong,
> but I
> > honestly can't think of anybody. Well except
> for
> > LongShadow.
> >
> > Now the garden gnome, on the other hand killed
> > several people, the Rattrays, Uncle Bartlett, to
> name
> > a few.
> >
> > --
> > Edited by ericrocks at 11/05/2009 8:13 PM PST
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> Let's not forget that Sookie herself has a rather
> sinister past offing Rene, Lorena and Debbie Pelt.
> Seems like Eric is the least sinister of this
> s group....
How can he surround himself with such terrible influences, I ask you?
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Nov 5, 2009 11:34 PM
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> Let's not forget that Sookie herself has a rather
> sinister past offing Rene, Lorena and Debbie Pelt.
> Seems like Eric is the least sinister of this
> s group....
Totally! It's not like Sookie is an innocent at this point either.
I hope Eric doesn't have any exes that he still wants to keep around because once she finds out about 'em they're as good as dead.
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Nov 5, 2009 11:34 PM
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>  You guys are cracking me up tonight.
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> "garden gnome" -- LMAO
Yes, I think we have a new nickname.
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Nov 5, 2009 11:32 PM
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Oh, yes, great question! But, seriously, aren't all vampires ruthless killers? So is she saying that Eric is worse than most? Because, like you, I want names!
I think in conjunction with her comments about this yesterday, she is saying that all vampires are ruthless killers and she feels that this aspect of his nature is being glossed over in favour of his "sex abilities"... to quote Jason Stackhouse...
Perhaps it is by some of her fanbase - but I don't really see that on this board for example (yes you see the odd one), or on other places I post. For the most part we like our boy bad AND good in bed lol.
If she wants to stop him being romanticised she needs to show him, ON THE PAGE killing an innocent for no reason or doing something equally indefensible. Everything "Bad" he does is gray and she is writing it that way! You could even argue she does the same thing with Bill.
And if she did write Eric doing something like that... I would probably still love him anyway because I like me a bad boy in my books. So shoot me Charlaine *shrug*.
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