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Skarsguadians, Northman's Nymphs and Viking Vamps; Here is the place you can unload your true feeling about the character Bill Compton on TB and in the books.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:43 PM
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> > Zirwinger:
> >
> > Bill is a LIAR. Never mentioning Jessica, nor
> Uncle
> > Bartlett, nor his assignment from the Queen.
> You and
> > other Bill fans often gloss over these lies of
> > omission with flimsy argument about what Sookie
> can
> > and cannot handle when in fact, we don't know
> that
> > she can't handle these things.
>
> -Who's to say that Bill has to run and report
> everything in his life asap to Sookie as if they're
> an old married couple? He didn't deny it as he was
> simply coming to terms with the Jessic issue.
>
> -A better example of a deliberate, low down lie
> would be Eric pretending to be in serious danger
> after the explosion and asking Sookie to suck out the
> silver schrapnel when he really just wanted her to
> have his blood in her system. Seriously, how many
> of you women (or men) would like to be manipulated
> into doing something disgusting--especially when it's
> giving someone a way "in" to your mind/psyche--out a
> false sense of obligation or plain deceit? And when
> it's not benefitting you at all? Eric's a disgusting
> schemer. You all excuse his character deficit cause
> you think he's hot--just admit! lol!
>
> At least, Bill was saving Sookie's life by giving
> her his blood after the vicious assault by the
> Rattraps. And good for Bill in killing the Rattraps!
> They were hustlers that were going to immobilize and
> d suck him dry and dispose of him!
>
>
>
> Bill decides for her
> > and us that it is better to omit these actions
> lest
> > they detract from his saintly glow.
>
> swtp555,
>
> I never said Bill was a saint anywhere in any of my
> comments on this board. Your exaggeration makes it
> easier to dismiss your points.
>
> >
> > As for liking the show and only the show, there
> are
> > lots of daytime dramas with exactly the kind of
> mush
> > you are looking for.
>
> I don't want to view some bullsh#t sci-fi channel
> "supernatural" show that is all violence, fantasy and
> darkness that panders to adolescents and fans of
> horror. That's what shows like "Buffy, The Vampire
> Slayer," "Angel" and the assanine "Charmed" are for.
>
> If you mean mush, well, I can tell you that what I
> like (and what's made the show a hit) is the southern
> gothic atmospheric quality to the show. And the
> identifiable working class characters, with real
> l lives & problems, who happen to have encounters
> with the supernatural.
>
> And there isn't anything else like it--in terms of
> combining reality with fantasy with irony, metaphor
> and satire--on television right now. Some knock offs
> have come out, but no where close to TB.
>
> As far as daytime dramas, I don't know. Fill us in on
> the details..
>
> &qt; Night time shows geared at
> > adults usually include reality woven into
> the
> > script. That was TB, before AB decided to
> cater to
> > the hundred(s) of Bill fans who wanted a
> fairytale
> > starring St. Bill and Suckeeh.
>
> The Bill/Sookie romance was brilliant and
> made Season One and is a major reason why the
> show became so successful. Not the only reason, but
> a big one. Maybe, for you--and other book fans--it
> wasn't, but for most of the viewers it was a big
> deal.
>
> As for your exaggerated comment about Alan Ball
> catering to the "hundreds of Bill fans"--yeah, right,
> just a few hundred. lol!--who wanted a fairytale
> romance is plain nonsense. Sookie's relationship
> with Bill was all about metaphorical themes that
> mirrored real life situations.
>
> In Season Two it was truncated for a number of
> reasons and that's it, we'll have to see what
> happens. But, if the spotlight is taken off of Bill
> and or/Sookie, the show will be on it's way out.
This is a St. Bill sucks thread... not a let's defend Bill thread... if you want to discuss Bill's limited merits then head over to the Bill Compton thread! You don't see us heading over there to discuss his many failings.....
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:42 PM
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> Swtp555:
> Can you please stop with the making fun of how
> to pronounce Bill's name.
> That's childish.
>
> Now as for Alan Ball~would you want the show
> written word for word in the book put out onto the
> tv screen? It would be "boring as all hell" and I
> don't
> think I would watch it.But with Alan changing it up
> some and making it interesting I'm in for the long
> haul.
Marleneemm,
Well said.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:40 PM
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Swtp555:
Can you please stop with the making fun of how
to pronounce Bill's name.
That's childish.
Now as for Alan Ball~would you want the show
written word for word in the book put out onto the
tv screen? It would be "boring as all hell" and I don't
think I would watch it.But with Alan changing it up some and making it interesting I'm in for the long haul.
Just don't bore me with more stories like Maryanne's.
Give me more sex,more nudity, and more supernatural
creatures~Bring on the werewolves,shifters and more
Vampires,Witches and turn LaFayette. OK??
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM
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> Zirwinger:
>
> Beeel has a QUEEN not a King...who is a ditz but
> that's you're ALAN BALL changing up what's written in
> the books.
>
> Since you haven't read the books you are obviously
> satisfied with the vampire version of Luke & Laura
> and to take it away from you would mess with your
> fantasy that there are men out there who will take
> the place of your daddy, like Beeel.
Maybe.
But, put another way: you like Eric because you're appreciative of so-called badasses who are sneaky and unethical. You like that he dishes out sh*t maybe because you're the kind of sad, cynical person who gets off taking it. But, enjoy, for I'm all for people doing what they do.
> Until you take your blinders off there's little that
> will get through to you...but mark my words, if AB
> continues on this path of madness very soon, much
> sooner than you think, you will tune in and find
> another show replacing it.
No doubt you will be getting a job offer from either or both HBO and Alan Ball. He certainly needs your advice in how to get a successful show off the ground.
>
> Or AB could wake up and make Eric the third lead and
> cash in on the gold mine that is Alex Skarsgard.
Alan, PLEASE, listen to swtp555 as he/she has the inside scoop on what works.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM
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> Although, it's debatable how Bill's character is
> evolving on the series, there's no question that
> Steven Moyer is an excellent actor. I rewatched the
> flashback scene in which Bill and Lorena preyed on a
> 1920's couple. Bill came across as truly manevolent
> and depraved, a tribute to his fine acting.
I agree!
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM
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> > zirwinger,
> >
> > Bill was forthcoming to a point, he said that
> he
> > would be able to sense he emotions and all that
> but
> > he left out the fact that she would become
> sexually
> > attracted to him!
> > All he said was that it will increase your
> "Libido"
> > and that is all. And I started a whole thread
> about
> > why I think the whole beating up of Sookie in
> the
> > first place was a set-up, so don't get me
> started on
> > that. He never told her about the sexual
> attraction
> > from the blood because he wanted her to think
> that
> > her feeling were entirely natural and that they
> had
> > nothing to with his blood! It wasn't until
> Sookie had
> > some of Eric's blood did he tell her the truth.
>
> But Sookie was attracted to Bill like that before she
> had his blood. She dreamed about him beforehand...
Puhleeze,
I am so sick of hearing that argument! Sookie dreamed about having Sex to lose her virginity with someone's who's thoughts she couldn't hear that is it. And I'm sure you've noticed the difference of Sookie's dream of Bill and her dreams of Eric. One is about losing her virginty and the other is about being in love with someone who gets her and does not try to simplify her and label her "TenderHearted" anytime she does something that is compassionate.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM
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> Zirwinger:
>
> Beeel has a QUEEN not a King...who is a ditz but
> that's you're ALAN BALL changing up what's written in
> the books.
>
> Since you haven't read the books you are obviously
> satisfied with the vampire version of Luke & Laura
> and to take it away from you would mess with your
> fantasy that there are men out there who will take
> the place of your daddy, like Beeel.
>
> Until you take your blinders off there's little that
> will get through to you...but mark my words, if AB
> continues on this path of madness very soon, much
> sooner than you think, you will tune in and find
> another show replacing it.
>
> Or AB could wake up and make Eric the third lead and
> cash in on the gold mine that is Alex Skarsgard.
Ooooh I think AB is eating plenty crow NOW. Why do you think he is doing all those interviews. AB may try to hint that he does not get the appeal that is Eric and it may very well be AB's show BUT even AB has to answer to someone. So I very much suspect that next season we will see a WHOLE lot more Eric and AB will try to write off as following the books more closely. Hand writing is already on the walls.... 
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM
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> But Sookie was attracted to Bill like that before she
> had his blood. She dreamed about him beforehand...
Uh, yeah but that dream was more like a nightmare where Bill was about to bite her(and not in a sexual way, either.)
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:18 PM
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Zirwinger:
Beeel has a QUEEN not a King...who is a ditz but that's you're ALAN BALL changing up what's written in the books.
Since you haven't read the books you are obviously satisfied with the vampire version of Luke & Laura and to take it away from you would mess with your fantasy that there are men out there who will take the place of your daddy, like Beeel.
Until you take your blinders off there's little that will get through to you...but mark my words, if AB continues on this path of madness very soon, much sooner than you think, you will tune in and find another show replacing it.
Or AB could wake up and make Eric the third lead and cash in on the gold mine that is Alex Skarsgard.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:18 PM
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Although, it's debatable how Bill's character is evolving on the series, there's no question that Steven Moyer is an excellent actor. I rewatched the flashback scene in which Bill and Lorena preyed on a 1920's couple. Bill came across as truly manevolent and depraved, a tribute to his fine acting.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:11 PM
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> What Eric did was a mischievious little game which
> his book character is known for - you probably
> haven't read the books or you would know that. And
> considering that he just risked his life to save her
> I think it was a mighty small thing which was
> probably motivated by the fact that he realized that
> he gave a sh*t whether she lived or died. By giving
> her his blood he has a way to know when she's in
> danger. All without controlling her which is what
> Beeel tries to do. And I'll beat you to Bon Temps -
> he knew Bill was way ahead of him when he was at
> QSA's. No point in rushing just to deal with Bill.
> Lastly, all those things you so loooove about Beeel
Yes, you're correct, Bill's KING, but it's not "Beeel" unless you're european.
> l are things AB took from Eric in the books to plump
> him up OR NO ONE WOULD LIKE HIM.
Yes, again, you guess correctly: I haven't read the books and have no plans to. I'm a fan of the show and the TB Bill. The books and the show exist as separate realities so, when talking about TB, the book stuff is irrelevant.
> > At least, Bill was saving Sookie's life by
> giving
> > her his blood after the vicious assault by the
> > Rattraps. And good for Bill in killing the
> Rattraps!
> > They were hustlers that were going to immobilize
> and
> > d suck him dry and dispose of him!
>
>
> And now that you mention this, you must realize that
> Bill was the one that schemed to get Sookie to drink
> his blood long before Eric came to the scene...He
> left with the Rattrays because he's mainstreaming and
> trying to be human again?? You've got to be kidding.
> He was sent there by QSA and found out he got the
> e right girl when she followed them. 173 year old
> vamp is not going to know what drainers are...YEAH
> RIGHT.
I don't care what the books say. I care about the show that Alan Ball has created/adapted from the books. This Queen stuff is unimportant to me.
> > The Bill/Sookie romance was brilliant and
> > made Season One and is a major reason why
> the
> > show became so successful. Not the only reason,
> but
> > a big one. Maybe, for you--and other book
> fans--it
> > wasn't, but for most of the viewers it was a
> big
> > deal.
>
> For most of the viewers who are still waiting for
> Prince Charming to arrive on a horse and take them
> from the prom straight to a fairytale castle in the
> clouds.
> For the viewers who have and have had real adult
> relationships...well you read the threads, there's a
> reason the fanbase is 70% Eric 30% Bill.
Not to the Bill fans. And the success of Season 1 (the revolutionary season) which was what I was referring to.
> > As for your exaggerated comment about Alan Ball
> > catering to the "hundreds of Bill fans"--yeah,
> right,
> > just a few hundred. lol!--who wanted a
> fairytale
> > romance is plain nonsense. Sookie's
> relationship
> > with Bill was all about metaphorical themes
> that
> > mirrored real life situations.
> >
> > In Season Two it was truncated for a number of
> > reasons and that's it, we'll have to see what
> > happens. But, if the spotlight is taken off of
> Bill
> > and or/Sookie, the show will be on it's way
> out.
>
> If the spotlight is taken off Bill/Sookie HALELUJAH!
> we have reached AB's ears! Time will go to other
> characters and actors who are worthy of the
> limelight. BTW, that's how it is in the books too.
Time will tell. Bill and Sookie are the foundation; we'll see if dramatic changes will positively effect the series. But, actually, Bill's not my favorite character; he's just preferable to the handsome scumbag Eric.
Also, I'm all for other character development, but I hope it doesn't become "vampire central" because I think that's playing itself out. That Queen stuff is pathetic, talk about a soap opera! That ditzy queen!
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 3:09 PM
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> zirwinger,
>
> Bill was forthcoming to a point, he said that he
> would be able to sense he emotions and all that but
> he left out the fact that she would become sexually
> attracted to him!
> All he said was that it will increase your "Libido"
> and that is all. And I started a whole thread about
> why I think the whole beating up of Sookie in the
> first place was a set-up, so don't get me started on
> that. He never told her about the sexual attraction
> from the blood because he wanted her to think that
> her feeling were entirely natural and that they had
> nothing to with his blood! It wasn't until Sookie had
> some of Eric's blood did he tell her the truth.
But Sookie was attracted to Bill like that before she had his blood. She dreamed about him beforehand...
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 2:57 PM
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> > camporese29,
> >
> > You make a good point. Sookie would've been
> toast if
> > Eric hadn't shielded her. However, in
> Eric-land,
> > this means he's now entitled to manipulate and
> lie to
> > her. After all, little blood sack that she is,
> what
> > do her personal feelings matter to him?
> >
> >
> > This is another difference of real
> > integrity between Bill and Eric. When Bill
> saved
> > Sookie and gave her his blood, he told why he
> was
> > doing it and, in a very real sense, she had a
> choice;
> > she had the knowledge of what was going on.
> That's
> > because Bill respected her.
>
> Eric manipulating Sookie into drinking his blood was
> a way of proving a point to Bill, that is all.
>
> And Bill was less than forthcoming about the effects
> of the blood. Perhaps if he would have been open and
> honest and informed Sookie about the specific sexual
> attraction attached to the blood she would have
> thought twice about sucking the silver out of Eric's
> chest.
Absolutely - well said.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 2:55 PM
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> camporese29,
>
> You make a good point. Sookie would've been toast if
> Eric hadn't shielded her. However, in Eric-land,
> this means he's now entitled to manipulate and lie to
> her. After all, little blood sack that she is, what
> do her personal feelings matter to him?
>
>
> This is another difference of real
> integrity between Bill and Eric. When Bill saved
> Sookie and gave her his blood, he told why he was
> doing it and, in a very real sense, she had a choice;
> she had the knowledge of what was going on. That's
> because Bill respected her.
Eric manipulating Sookie into drinking his blood was a way of proving a point to Bill, that is all.
And Bill was less than forthcoming about the effects of the blood. Perhaps if he would have been open and honest and informed Sookie about the specific sexual attraction attached to the blood she would have thought twice about sucking the silver out of Eric's chest.
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Re: Boring Bill Sucks (and not in a good way)
Sep 23, 2009 2:54 PM
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> > Eric- What happened to all the people in his
> > basement..
>
> Eric ate them for dinner, or did you miss that
> episode.
Or maybe the episode only aired in an alternate universe.
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