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My daughter (who doesn't post or blog) was quite annoyed with the use of the "N" word. Enough so that she changed the channel and watched something else. I usually have quests over for watching True Blood, but not for episode 4. They called me later to make me aware that they were offended by the use. I didn't watch until later that night, and it barely registered with me. I have a Paul Mooney & D.L. Hughley attitude regarding such.
My point: Any red flags with directors? Was consideration given to who might get offended? I know it's cable, but I'm told to ask was that really necessary? What does anyone else think?
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Oct 4, 2008 8:40 AM
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> Seriously, after watching the episode ,I think the
> whole thing was blown out of proportion. It was only
> said for a milisecond and it was in the thought of an
> obvious racist person.....
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> Yes , Virginia there are racist in the world, and
> they are in the south . Get over it.
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> I think this subject should go away.
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If you don't like the subject, don't read the thread.
If you read the whole thread, it had some interesting comments.
The original question was:
Any red flags with directors? Was consideration given to who might get offended? I know it's cable, but I'm told to ask was that really necessary? What does anyone else think?
I think consideration was definitely given to those who might get offended. I'm pretty sure HBO loves it when people react to something like this. And yes, I think it was necessary - as the thoughts of an obviously racist person. It makes it clear that there are people who think this way in this small Louisiana town, and foresees problems with assimilating vampires.
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Oct 4, 2008 2:31 AM
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> You took what I was saying the wrong way. I was
> saying, yes there are racist out in the world ; and
> the show takes place in the south where you just mind
> run into ppl who think along the lines of the man in
> the bar and grill that night.
I apologize. Before entering here I'd just come from a political (non HBO) forum where the south WAS under attack, so I had a chip on my shoulder. Sorry about that!
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Oct 4, 2008 1:54 AM
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>>> Yes , Virginia there are racist in the world <<<
Real World Experience:
I grew up in a single race/religion/economic suburb ... went off to a very diversified community college ... spent a few years in the 80's military ... in the civillian world went into a male dominated profession ... birthed a boy first, 18 months later a girl ... worked and travelled (out-of-state and out-of-country) and exposed the kids to everything I possibly could ... both kids are in college now and at 23 and 25 are pretty good kids.
The point of this little self portrait:
Five years ago my daughter started dating this guy 7 years her senior, a real bum (drugs, lazy, confrontational to authority, the real bad boy) ... I griped to my sisters, my brothers, my ex, my son, even to my princess! Today the guy works two low paying jobs to help pay the bills so my daughter can continue in college full time, he keeps me abreast of her academic progress, and talks of the day she can switch from the community college to MSU like her brother ... he is turning out to be not so very bad.
She's white/catholic/upper-middle-class-financially ... He's black/baptist/dirt-poor-family-history.
His race/religion/financial standing had/has never been a determination in my or my ex or my children's feelings about Amos ... his character/actions/attitudes are now and always have been the factors that have been important.
Yes, racism does exist ... but maybe if people start today to expose their children to the real world like I did and all of it's wonderous differences ... black, white, yellow, brown, red, and tons of blends ... christianity, judism, islam, buddism, atheism ... the real poor (third world version ... not our American luxury poor) and the middle class and the obnoxiously rich .....
Well maybe the word racism (plus all of the offending words) will become things of the past.
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Oct 4, 2008 1:37 AM
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blame hollywood. making it mainstream is just as bad
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Oct 4, 2008 1:35 AM
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>> Yes , Virginia there are racist in the world, and
>> they are in the south . Get over it.
>Get off the south. There are as many bigots in the north, east, and west.
very true
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Oct 4, 2008 1:34 AM
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> Get off the south. There are as many bigots in the
> north, east, and west.
You took what I was saying the wrong way. I was saying, yes there are racist out in the world ; and the show takes place in the south where you just mind run into ppl who think along the lines of the man in the bar and grill that night.
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> Yes , Virginia there are racist in the world, and
> they are in the south . Get over it.
Get off the south. There are as many bigots in the north, east, and west.
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Oct 4, 2008 12:28 AM
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Seriously, after watching the episode ,I think the whole thing was blown out of proportion. It was only said for a milisecond and it was in the thought of an obvious racist person.....
Yes , Virginia there are racist in the world, and they are in the south . Get over it.
I think this subject should go away.
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>>Does any one else find it offensive that any other "blue language" such as the word fuck is totally permissable on the message board, but the racial epithet is being censored. I sense a bit of a double standard here.
I don't much care for bad language. A little swearing to make a character authentic is OK, but when the whole thing is f this and f that I get tired of it quickly and want it to stop.
On the other hand hate speech is always offensive to me, whether it's characterized by bad language or not. Name calling on a certain level rises to my definition of hate speech, and I think it should be cut out.
Maybe a double standard is needed because the two things are not the same.
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>>> The use of the "N" word is in my opinion a generational thing
Marleneemm:
I agree. As a child growing up I never heard that word used but for one time and it was very shocking to both me and my mother.
On the other hand my parents had no African American friends and it was just understood that we don't mix. Even our church was all white, while just a few miles away was the same denomination and that church was all African American. When our youth choir joined theirs for a concert it was a groundbreaking event.
Now I have friends of different races, my neighbors and co-workers mix comfortably, and my daughter's best friend in High School was African American and she was like a second daughter to me.
However, I also hear that word used a lot more, but it seems to be used culturally and not as a name calling word. I don't use it, I don't even think it, and I am still shocked when I hear it, but less so since it seems to be acceptable for groups to use that word among themselves.
There are bad words for most groups of people. I guess it makes being hateful easier if you can just call everyone in that group a hateful name, like "bloodsuckers" is used in TB to characterize a whole group.
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>Does any one else find it offensive that any other "blue language" such as the word fuck is totally permissable on the message board, but the racial epithet is being censored. I sense a bit of a double standard here.
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>Edited by rocknrollmom at 10/03/2008 6:48 PM PDT
Depends on how the admins are feeling that day...
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> Cool issues addressed in this thread, perhaps we
> should begin discussing these under a different title.
Grooooan. I come here to get away from this type of topic. (I usually post on the Real Time political board where every other thread is racially charged.)
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Does any one else find it offensive that any other "blue language" such as the word fuck is totally permissable on the message board, but the racial epithet is being censored. I sense a bit of a double standard here.
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Eripmav:
The use of the "N" word is in my opinion a generational thing~and those who are older than
their 50's remember when it was "thrown out like
today's trash" and those who are younger than
40 are "more tolerant and are annoyed by the
use of the word,or the implication of it"~ the same can be said for "our parents who are older than the
age of 65+ saying that they could never vote for a
Black Man ~ and then you have the Younger Generation about to elect a Black man as President.
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I did hear it in a man's thoughts Sookie was listening to. He was mentally listing all the people he thought didn't belong in a place like Merlotte's and he was an example of hate speech, or hate thoughts, in this instance. I'm sure people think hateful things sometimes that they have better sense than to come out and say.
It made the man look hateful and almost crazy because he also thought that the mixing of races and dead and undead meant that these were signs of the "end times", whatever that means.
I guess it has something to do with the book of Revelations, in his mind. Although I don't recall the book of Revelations saying anything about either race or vampires. So he must have his own nutty ideas about the Bible.
I saw it as a case of dramatic license, allowing a character in a drama to say something unacceptable, to dramatize a point. It would be similar to a German soldier character in an old World War movie saying "Heil Hitler." IMO.
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