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Young corner boy Kenard brings down the mighty Omar.
Make your eulogies for one of Baltimore's most feared men here.
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May 5, 2008 8:40 AM
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I take my hat off to the writters of the show,360 degress around they made a solid project,no dought.
Rip Omar Little
Peace
U.D.
Tribute to Omar Little
By Urban Diversity Music Group
All in the Game
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LmW_WZZqCNQ
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May 5, 2008 5:56 AM
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> snitching is, if you kept quiet, a fellow hood member
> stays out of jail
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> Your man need to reconcile himself to this here way
> of thinking . Prop Joe and Co-op
That's what's up! True G's and Hood figgaz never ever supposed to cross that line and work for the other side of the law.
Reconcile yoself to this way of thinking, how is the po po's gonna get mad about stop snitchin tee shirts and they do the same or worse. They routinely turn a blind eye to wrongdoings by their comrades in blue. They routinely support each others claims of what they seen a 'perp' do. They routinely support perjury on the witness stand. But all that is expected. Their "Stop Snitchin" motto is drilled into them in cadet school. So they need to shut the fuck up and let us do us!
Omar was a snitch of tremendous proportions. From the first time McNulty and Kima pulled up on him at the cemetary, he started working with them. He told Kima that her other snitch Bubbs knew who Bird was. His bitch ass bartered his tattlin into a get out of jail free card tuu. Any respectable playa wouldn't duu that.
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May 4, 2008 11:37 PM
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Part of Omar's testifying against Bird, was also a part of framing him. People who frame other people do testify against them in court. Just like Marlo needed ole face Andre to testify in court against Omar. If they don't testify the case falls apart, as did the case against Omar when ole face Andre backed up on his story. Now was ole face Andre snitching on Omar, or was he aiding Marlo in an act of revenge?
I've read a few of your posts, and as a Black man you feel it's against the code for a gangster to be gay, and a snitch. Although, you give Omar's character props for being good at his craft you loath him for being gay. Yeap, no way you're views won't be biased.
Brandon was tortured, mutilated and murdered by the Barksdale crew. Omar acted out of revenge by providing false testimony against Bird. Omar wasn't there when Gant was killed.
Clear examples of Snitches who had direct knowledge of what was happening regarding a situation:
Bubbles (to make a dollar)
Randy (not to get in trouble at home)
Kima (no good earthly reason)
Anyway, to you he's a snitch. For me, it was just revenge.
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May 4, 2008 8:17 PM
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I don't think framing someone for murder is 'tattle telling'. That's what I'm saying. What Marlo did and what Omar did are diff to me. Framing and testifying are diff to me.
About Omar telling. No he would not have. I will put it like this, setting on a witness stand talking to a prosecutor, sitting in a interrogation room spilling your guts is telling. Killing a innocent person to set up someone else.....gangsta.
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May 4, 2008 2:00 PM
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I'm confused. How is framing someone for murder tattle telling?
Read down a few posts and you will see someone compared an act of Marlo's to snitching.
Tattle means to reveal the secrets of others, like gossiping.
Omar went after Bird for revenge. He wasn't telling any secrets. If Brandon hadn't been tortured and murdered by the Barksdale crew would Omar have fabricated eyewitness testimony to put Bird away?
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May 4, 2008 1:28 PM
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One thing that confuses me is that for some reason if you are 'telling'for a good reason it is ok. I am lost on that one. Most people who snitch think they are doing it for a good purpose. Yeah Bodie said he wasn't a snitch, but if he had of got with McNullty and testified that is snitching. If you get with the police that is snitching. If you sit with police, what else would you call it? Omar's noble cause was plain and simple tattle telling. I'm still confused on how Marlo snitched? No court room, no interogation room, no written statemant, nothing!!!
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May 4, 2008 11:52 AM
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Hello again.
Season 4:
Randy is a very good example of the difference between what snitching is and isn't.
Randy get's in trouble at school. To avoid trouble at home with Ms. Anna he offer's, " I know who's been tagging the school wall's. He is more than willing to give up factual information to save his own behind. Next, when things escalate with an alledge rape in the bathroom Randy offer's even more compelling knowledge, "I know about a murder" Again, he acts to avoid trouble at home with Ms. Anna. These are two incidents of snitching. But later on Randy asks Michael was it snitching telling the police about his indirect role in Lex's murder. Michael says no that ain't snitching but stop talking.
Omar doesn't snitch on Bird, he manufactures false testimony to bring Bird down. A direct strike against the Barksdale crew. Omar is all about the revenge. He kills Stinkum, wounds WeeBey and removes Bird by way of false testimony. Just business on the revenge tip.
Marlo doesn't snitch on Omar. He engineers a murder and beating to frame Omar. Again, it's all about revenge.
I suppose a person could seek revenge by snitching but this is a very fine line. In the streets revenge is revenge and snitching is snitching. Omar, Avon, and Marlo didn't believe in snitching but they did believe in revenge. Remember when Avon gave up Stringer to Brotha M? Some might consider that snitching but it was business based on a code.
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May 4, 2008 10:51 AM
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Good morning fxlyry,
"apparently unpleasant to you."
I didn't find your intrepation upleasant. I found it to be more of a hypothesis.
You are correct in that The Wire is a show you have to watch several times to capture everything David Simon wanted to say and the audience to get. Please believe me, I've watched and re-watched The Wire many times over so that I would understand everything David Simon wanted the audience to capture. And some things where left to our interpretation but Mr. Simon provided background information for us to draw the correct conclusion based on the personality of the character and/or circumstances.
I would have absolutely no problem with Michael being gay by the end of season 5 if this is what David Simon presented. But where do we ever see the character of Marcus being gay? Usually, there are a series of events or circumstances that lead us to a persons ultimate conclusion.
I'm just saying some fans have drawn the conclusion that because Omar was a gay stick-up artist that Michael must be also. And trust me on this, I am not naive with regards to a correlation between children who are molested and then have the potential to become molesters and/or dabble within the gay lifestyle. I'm just saying I didn't draw the conclusion of Michael being gay because David Simon nor his writers lead up to that in the writing. But I am not above being in error so when season five is available I will re-watch it. By the way, I just finished season 4.
So as you wish no debating but fair warning if you respond back more than likely I will respond in kind.
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May 4, 2008 1:58 AM
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Now you all just have me confused as to what the prohibition against snitching means. Opinions seem to range from something resembling elementary-school telling the teacher stuff to a principled reasoned response to the destruction of black communities resulting from the drug wars. I read this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-28-stop-snitching_x.htm and I read all your opinions and I don't know what is what.
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May 4, 2008 1:55 AM
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> Seems to me that someone is drawing a lot of
> conclusions based on what they want to see.
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> Season 4: It's very apparent that Michael has been
> molested. He jumps out of Cutty's van because he's
> concerned Cutty is just to damn friendly. Next, he
> seeks Christ out to kill his step-father. In other
> words, Micheal absolutley detests sexual acts between
> males.
Please to avoid ascribing motives when someone presents a point of view apparently unpleasant to you. I pursued the identity of Michael's partner to counter the claims that because Michael was with a "pretty, lightskinned" boy in the rim shop and because he was molested therefore he was gay. If you look at my posting history you'd see that I found such claims ridiculous. When I discovered he was one of Michael's corner workers I thought that settled the matter. It fit with what I thought was Michael's hard, practical attitude that he would choose someone experienced in the game and probably trained as he was by the Stanfield organization to be his partner. Then it was pointed out to me that the boy was actually Marcus, a fighter from Cutty's gym. That changed everything. Now he was the sole suvivor through all three phases of Michael's life, in the background in Michael's pre-Stanfield life and on his corner (crewed by Michael), now his partner. That had more of a "I can't quit you" than a practical sense to it.
That a subsequent close examination of their scenes and Michael's change in attitude led to the opposite conclusion than the one I set out to establish is just the way it is. I don't run from a conclusion because it wasn't what I expected to find. In the DVD commentaries to season 3, Simon said the first time you go through a season of the The Wire you look for the plot, to understand generally what's going on. Then you go back and you look for the filmic stuff. The filmic stuff told a different story about Michael. So be it.
And speaking of that change in attitude, yes Michael was extremely homophobic in season 4, more than willing to throw around "faggot", though I think you'd be naive to believe that being homophobic and being homosexual are contradictory. However, Michael shows no signs of being homophobic in season 5. Not a "faggot" or "faggy" or "cocksucker" or "dicksucker" or "dicksuck" came from his lips, not even in the aftermath of his run-ins with Omar. Not even in arguing with Chris and Snoop about the significance of Junebug's allegedly calling Marlo a "dicksuck" -- whether that is justification for killing him -- will he say the word "dicksuck".
I would feel hard pressed to find an explanation why Simon et al. have Marcus obscured in darkness and shadow sitting there reading something waiting for Michael outside the Western district station other than that they have a relationship beyond the corner. (Simon et al. provide a key to identifying whom it is waiting for Michael ... if you even notice there is anyone there ... in the opening scene of the episode, where Kenard and Marcus slap hands.) What do you suppose that secreted relationship is? Why obscure it? I don't know, maybe Michael has a secret fear of the dark or a secret nightblindness and he brought this boy from the gym to his corner and will bring him into his life as a stickup boy to protect him from the bogeyman or act as a secret night-guide for him? Maybe guys posting here who come from the hood would have a better explanation for what Simon et al. are communicating by this meeting. I think it obvious.
I've had this debate before and admitted the "filmic stuff" is open to interpretation (though I don't really think it is) and am not interested in repeating the debate here. I would think at least until the season 5 DVDs are released and we get some commentary on the scene in the rim shop your interpetation is safe.
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May 3, 2008 11:27 PM
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snitching is, if you kept quiet, a fellow hood member stays out of jail
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Your man need to reconcile himself to this here way of thinking . Prop Joe and Co-op
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May 3, 2008 10:42 PM
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Let me help you with your tongue~Avon
Snitch:
Someone who tells on someone else.
Omar didn't snitch on Bird. He fabricated information to bring Bird down in an act of retribution. What Omar did was revenge pure and simple.
Snitching implies you have factual information to provide. Omar didn't have factual information. He seized upon an opportunity to hurt the Barksdale crew.
With regards to Marlo, he didn't snitch on Omar because Omar was not guilty of the crime. He framed Omar for murder, which as an act of retribution.
Now Bubbles he was a straight up I don't f&&k snitch. He never had a dog in the fight, but to get paid by Kima and/or McNulty he would snitch for money.
Important fact: Bubbles always made good on the information he gave. In other words, it was not made up. Well, except that one time when he wanted to get back at Det. Herc. But that was revenge.
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May 3, 2008 4:58 PM
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Omar was indeed a snitch by any form of the word. Whether or not he was seekin retribution for any wrong done against him, a true gangsta would never take the witness stand against another gangsta to put him behind bars. The game ain't played that way! And even said so out of Omar's mouth when he first dry snitched to McNutty. Get off where you get mad at & handle yo bizness in the streets are codes that true playaz live by. And yes, that was snitching that both Marlo and Avon was involved in.
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You ain't heard? Sh!t Omar bagged up...
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May 3, 2008 3:21 PM
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Seems to me that someone is drawing a lot of conclusions based on what they want to see.
Season 4: It's very apparent that Michael has been molested. He jumps out of Cutty's van because he's concerned Cutty is just to damn friendly. Next, he seeks Christ out to kill his step-father. In other words, Micheal absolutley detests sexual acts between males.
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May 3, 2008 2:50 PM
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> fxlvry............. where is the Michael thing at in
> season 4 or 5???
OK, I'll make it easy. Here's a link to a montage a friend made (she called it "Way Downlow in the Hole") from Michael's original flirtation in season 4 to his bringing the boy to his corner in season 5 to their "after-hours" meeting to Michael keeping his boy close to their "coming out" party as a stickup duo: http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7093/mandmmontagesmallerxo2.jpg
> Now, as for Omar snitching, you are right. Omar was
> not snitching. But the way he went about things in
> dealing with the police was alot diff than the way
> Marlo got the police involved. Omar dealing with the
> police was alot closer to the way Bubbles dealt with
> the police. Omar got on the stand a testified! He
> also wasn't even there when the murder happened.
> Maybe that is not snitching, but that is def not
> t street. He also told his business on the stand.
> If Bodie (who is my dogg) had of testiefied, that is
> s snitching. Yeah Bodie didn't like Marlo or his
> kind, but most people don't like the people they work
> for. Marlo killed alot of people. So what, that's
> how he fealt HIS business needed to be run. (Avon
> was no angel either).
>
I think you underestimate Bodie's resolve to do what needed to be done to get rid of Marlo:
Bodie: We still in the city?
McNulty: Cylburn arboretum. Pimlico is right up the hill.
Bodie: This is nice. ... I ain't no snitch.
McNulty: I didn't say you were.
Bodie: I been doing this a long time. I ain't never said nothing to no cop. ... I feel old. I been out there since I was 13. I ain't never fucked up a count, never stole off a package, never did some shit that I wasn't told to do. I've been straight up. But what come back? You think if I get jammed up on some shit, they'd be like, "all right. Yeah. Bodie been there. Bodie hang tough. We got to pay his lawyer. We got a bail." They want me to stand with them, right? Where the fuck they at when they supposed to be standing by us? I mean, when shit goes bad and there's hell to pay, where they at? ... This game is rigged, man. Be like the little bitches on a chessboard.
McNulty: Pawns.
Bodie: Yo, I'm not snitching on none of my boys, not my corner, and not no Barksdale people or what's left of them. But Marlo-- this nigger and his kind, man-- They gotta fall. They gotta.
McNulty: Well, for that to happen, somebody's gotta step up.
Bodie: I'll do what I gotta. I don't give a fuck. Just don't ask me to live on my fucking knees, you know.
McNulty: You're a soldier, Bodie.
Bodie: Hell, yeah.
> The way Marlo got the police involved doesn't relate.
> Marlo doesn't HELP the police. When Herc wanted his
> s camera, he didn't say lets make a deal. He just
> didn't get his sh*t back. Period. When Herc and
> Carver wanted to take him in for questioning, he said
> I don't think that's go happen. Marlo had Chris kill
> the civilian so Omar could get bagged in lock-up.
> That's it. NOONE on Marlos team talked to the
> he police about the incident. To me the two are
> apples and oranges. Marlo was a ruthless tyrant.
> It's not a workers place, especially in gangsterism
> m (new word) and illegal businesses of the world, to
> dictate how the boss runs his business. String made
> that mistake also.
I fail to see the difference between Omar giving false testimony (in the sense that he didn't personally witness what he was testifying to, though what he testified to did indeed happen) for his own purposes and Marlo procuring actually false testimony for his own purposes, to imprison a man innocent of the crime, which I would suppose is worse since the anti-snitching campaign is supposed to be founded on the idea that snitching induces false testimony.
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