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Young corner boy Kenard brings down the mighty Omar.
Make your eulogies for one of Baltimore's most feared men here.
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May 3, 2008 1:41 PM
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fxlvry............. where is the Michael thing at in season 4 or 5???
Now, as for Omar snitching, you are right. Omar was not snitching. But the way he went about things in dealing with the police was alot diff than the way Marlo got the police involved. Omar dealing with the police was alot closer to the way Bubbles dealt with the police. Omar got on the stand a testified! He also wasn't even there when the murder happened. Maybe that is not snitching, but that is def not street. He also told his business on the stand. If Bodie (who is my dogg) had of testiefied, that is snitching. Yeah Bodie didn't like Marlo or his kind, but most people don't like the people they work for. Marlo killed alot of people. So what, that's how he fealt HIS business needed to be run. (Avon was no angel either).
The way Marlo got the police involved doesn't relate. Marlo doesn't HELP the police. When Herc wanted his camera, he didn't say lets make a deal. He just didn't get his sh*t back. Period. When Herc and Carver wanted to take him in for questioning, he said I don't think that's go happen. Marlo had Chris kill the civilian so Omar could get bagged in lock-up. That's it. NOONE on Marlos team talked to the police about the incident. To me the two are apples and oranges. Marlo was a ruthless tyrant. It's not a workers place, especially in gangsterism (new word) and illegal businesses of the world, to dictate how the boss runs his business. String made that mistake also.
Last and least the gayness of Omar and the rest of the gays. Omar was the dog regardless straight or gay. But the others, Kimma and Snoop. Me personally, from the posts I have read, I think it def added to their likability.
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May 3, 2008 1:04 PM
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> "And though Michael got much love from the "more
> > gangster than thou" (per Simon) types it was
> only
> > because the writers buried his sexuality and his
> > relationship with his future "partner" so deeply
> they
> > didn't even see who Michael was ... and who he was
>
> > going to become ... and mistook him for a future
> > kingpin and/or the future killer of Omar rather
> than
> > his replacement. As for non-fronting viewers, they
>
> > loved Michael for the principled, strong,
> > sweet-natured but psychologically damaged boy he
> was
> > and watched with despair the tragedy entailed by
> the
> > corrupt and failed social institutions leaving him,
>
> > in his mind, no option but to surrender his soul to
>
> > save his brother. To them it wouldn't have made
> much
> > difference if they noticed Michael and his boy
> > meeting in the shadows."
>
> Do you recall where you read this? I'd like to check
> this out.
Not sure what you're referring to. If you mean David Simon's attitude towards the more-gangster-than-thou stuff, especially on these boards, he refers to it in several places, e.g., http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com/2007/01/q-david-simon-pt-1.html or http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2008/03/wire-david-simon-q.html:
Q. I imagine one of the places you don't go back to too often are the HBO.com boards.
David Simon. I get a little tired of the "more gangster than thou" stuff, yeah. I'm not particularly interested in that.
If you mean Michael's relationship with his stickup partner, Simon nowhere refers to that. As I said it's deeply buried and developed only using "filmic stuff" (to use Simon's phrase). I won't spoil the fun of you finding it for yourself. I'll just say that Michael and his partner have their first encounter early in season 4 at Cutty's gym. (Finding the scene where they meet privately in season 5 took a friend and I hours to find after we decided it had to be there somewhere; hint: motherly love should be free.)
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May 3, 2008 12:49 PM
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> Man I forgot about Kima. Add another one. Look this
> is from my personal, black males point of view. Omar
> did his thing. Master of his craft. But, true G's
> know there are a couple of things that you don't do
> in the game. Omar always talking about you got to
> have a code. Well, a couple of things in that code
> is you don't f*ck other men and you don't snitch.
> Omar did both. Now people loving him I can
> n understand. All the of the characters had there
> 'flaws'. String sold Avon out. Avon sold String
> out. Prop Joe was greedy. Marlo felt everybody
> needed to die. What I am saying is that I think that
> the homosexuals on the show got addded love because
> they were that way. Kimma straight, def not the same
> level of love. Omar, would be loved, but the gayness
> added to his likeability for some reason. Not to me,
> but to most. If you gay you gay. But when you walk
> past true men like when Omar walked past String in
> court, expect to be called a f*ggot. I guess I am
> just an old school soldier.
Even by the bizarre theory of "snitching," how was Omar snitching? He wasn't facing any charges and wasn't given any reward and he wasn't seeking government protection. He perjured himself in court, offering hearsay evidence as eye-witness testimony, as a tactic to gain retribution on a man who took part in the torture and mutilation of his lover and was willing to give information relating to other Barksdale murders. His provision of information was targeted. Omar's rationale was the same as Bodie's: these people have gone too far and I'll do what I have to do to get rid of them.
Look at Marlo and snitching. Did I not see him procrure the death of an innocent woman and the purchase the false testimony of a man to lie to police about the murder to have Omar imprisoned where he could be killed? How many tenets of the anti-snitching theory does that violate? Where are all the posts about the snitch Marlo? What does it tell you about the nature of Marlo's retribution against snitchers, real or possible? Obviously, it isn't about any theory of police wrong-doing. The hypocrisy of that loathsome creature is beyond tolerance. It was only about Marlo's personal interest, his rationale was entirely selfish. That's what the whole anti-snitching campaign amounts to in the end, protecting the Marlos of the world, keeping their little fiefdoms intact and effectively keeping the vast majority of inner-city young black men marginalized and hopeless. And isn't that what The Wire's all about, institutions destroying individuals to protect their prerogatives?
As to the gayness thing, it is not that Omar is gay that makes him more attractive to some. It's how he carries it or, rather, how he carries it is symptomatic of why Omar is admired. Omar's code is not a set of rules. His code is an attitude towards life, the assertion of self, the refusal to deny one's self. That is why he is called the hero of The Wire. Never does Omar assert proudness in what he is. Never does he display anger when people insult what he is. He is what he is. He does what he does. There is no greater test, no greater burden to carry than to fearlessly be who you are, whatever you are.
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May 3, 2008 8:20 AM
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"And though Michael got much love from the "more
> gangster than thou" (per Simon) types it was only
> because the writers buried his sexuality and his
> relationship with his future "partner" so deeply they
> didn't even see who Michael was ... and who he was
> going to become ... and mistook him for a future
> kingpin and/or the future killer of Omar rather than
> his replacement. As for non-fronting viewers, they
> loved Michael for the principled, strong,
> sweet-natured but psychologically damaged boy he was
> and watched with despair the tragedy entailed by the
> corrupt and failed social institutions leaving him,
> in his mind, no option but to surrender his soul to
> save his brother. To them it wouldn't have made much
> difference if they noticed Michael and his boy
> meeting in the shadows."
Do you recall where you read this? I'd like to check this out.
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May 3, 2008 3:53 AM
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Omar looked as tough he had "doo doo" stains in his underwear. His fingernails were never clean and it had to be awfully hot in that rechid trench coat that he traipsed around it. I for one will not miss him one bit.
Russell Bell should have played more by Marlo's rules and had him AND Grandmama murked out.
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May 2, 2008 12:45 PM
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and............as for Rawls not getting love. Come on. Lets keep it real. If you look at the posts very few of the white caracters got love. Even McNultty, who probably had the biggest role on the show, is not mentioned that often. The Mayor, Herc, Homicide Sgt, prosecutor, not mentioned. I don't know why that is, but it is a fact. So saying Rawls was reaching. And his gay scene was about 5 seconds long to.
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May 2, 2008 12:36 PM
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I don't recall Rawls getting much love. >
> Kima? Well it seems people loved her or not based on
> characteristics having nothing to do with her sexual
> habits. I guess most people didn't see her sexuality
> as the determining factor in loving or hating or
> being indifferent to her.
>
> And though Michael got much love from the "more
> gangster than thou" (per Simon) types it was only
> because the writers buried his sexuality and his
> relationship with his future "partner" so deeply they
> didn't even see who Michael was ... and who he was
> going to become ... and mistook him for a future
> kingpin and/or the future killer of Omar rather than
> his replacement. As for non-fronting viewers, they
> loved Michael for the principled, strong,
> sweet-natured but psychologically damaged boy he was
> and watched with despair the tragedy entailed by the
> corrupt and failed social institutions leaving him,
> in his mind, no option but to surrender his soul to
> save his brother. To them it wouldn't have made much
> difference if they noticed Michael and his boy
> meeting in the shadows.
>
> Regular folk reserve their hatred for the defective,
> mutantly inhumane creatures like the Avons and the
> Stringers and the Marlos and the Wee-Beys and the
> Chrises who they long to see, at least, imprisoned
> and the institutions that breed them, that allow
> individuals with their mutant inhumane
> characteristics to rise to positions of power and
> influence in their local communities and thereby
> spread misery, to be obliterated.
Man I forgot about Kima. Add another one. Look this is from my personal, black males point of view. Omar did his thing. Master of his craft. But, true G's know there are a couple of things that you don't do in the game. Omar always talking about you got to have a code. Well, a couple of things in that code is you don't f*ck other men and you don't snitch. Omar did both. Now people loving him I can understand. All the of the characters had there 'flaws'. String sold Avon out. Avon sold String out. Prop Joe was greedy. Marlo felt everybody needed to die. What I am saying is that I think that the homosexuals on the show got addded love because they were that way. Kimma straight, def not the same level of love. Omar, would be loved, but the gayness added to his likeability for some reason. Not to me, but to most. If you gay you gay. But when you walk past true men like when Omar walked past String in court, expect to be called a f*ggot. I guess I am just an old school soldier.
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May 1, 2008 2:27 PM
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On the real,I feel why you didn't like Omar,I do.
But I think the point of his role in the show, was that there are poeple out there just like him. So many people Know a Omar in their city,and some don't but his type is no secret.
Like in the show when he snitched on Bird,when being questioned by the lawyer he mentioned knowing Bird from jail,and if you ever been to jail or the joint then you know it's full of Omar's!
So me,I don't agree with his prefrence for a life partner,but I do understand the importance of his role on The Wire.
So does Barack Obama,he said Omar was his favorite actor on the show,And I don't think it's because he likes boys.
I think it's because he was based on the south side of Chigago where alot of the same things happen.
I take my hat off to the writters of the show,360 degress around they made a solid project,no dought.
Rip Omar Little
Peace
U.D.
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Edited by urbandiversity at 05/02/2008 9:02 AM PDT
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May 1, 2008 2:08 PM
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Word,you got some very wise prespective on what you saw in the show as a whole,very wise!
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Apr 30, 2008 1:29 PM
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> It is amazing how the f*gs on the show get so much
> love. Everybody like Omar, everybody like Snoop. F
> that. Snoop was a girl that can NEVER be a dude.
> And Omar, well................ Omar was a c*cksucker!
I don't recall Rawls getting much love.
Kima? Well it seems people loved her or not based on characteristics having nothing to do with her sexual habits. I guess most people didn't see her sexuality as the determining factor in loving or hating or being indifferent to her.
And though Michael got much love from the "more gangster than thou" (per Simon) types it was only because the writers buried his sexuality and his relationship with his future "partner" so deeply they didn't even see who Michael was ... and who he was going to become ... and mistook him for a future kingpin and/or the future killer of Omar rather than his replacement. As for non-fronting viewers, they loved Michael for the principled, strong, sweet-natured but psychologically damaged boy he was and watched with despair the tragedy entailed by the corrupt and failed social institutions leaving him, in his mind, no option but to surrender his soul to save his brother. To them it wouldn't have made much difference if they noticed Michael and his boy meeting in the shadows.
Regular folk reserve their hatred for the defective, mutantly inhumane creatures like the Avons and the Stringers and the Marlos and the Wee-Beys and the Chrises who they long to see, at least, imprisoned and the institutions that breed them, that allow individuals with their mutant inhumane characteristics to rise to positions of power and influence in their local communities and thereby spread misery, to be obliterated.
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Apr 30, 2008 10:43 AM
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It is amazing how the f*gs on the show get so much love. Everybody like Omar, everybody like Snoop. F that. Snoop was a girl that can NEVER be a dude. And Omar, well................ Omar was a c*cksucker!
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Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM
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> So what you talking about then,if you know someone in
> your hood like that????
>
> This post is for any one who want to hear it,and I
> didn't post it to you in the first place.See this is
> a reply what you posted wasn't a reply. So I wasn't
> talking to you till just now!
Didn't lyk dat cocksucka neither....
And honestly, his sexual preference just made it easier for me not to lyk him. He was a self destructive egotistical snitch.
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You ain't heard? Sh!t Omar bagged up...
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Apr 30, 2008 10:18 AM
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So what you talking about then,if you know someone in your hood like that????
This post is for any one who want to hear it,and I didn't post it to you in the first place.See this is a reply what you posted wasn't a reply. So I wasn't talking to you till just now!
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Apr 30, 2008 10:07 AM
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The link is a song about jacking people in the manor in which he did in the street,the gay part was his own prefrence, that don't got sh-t to do with me! See homes,I grew up in a place where I saw people like the ones on The Wire every day. So don't get it twisted,the street drama is what i'm focused on,not nothing else bra.
The stuff in the track talk about real street life in any big city America. And the flow of narcotics,and the death tolls in America's ghettos at the hands of on going turf battles between rival gangs.
You see dog, Detroit MI is no joke, nothing to play around with,and Baltimore is bad but Detroit in my opinion is worse.
So I posted you a link to some real Detroit street prespective. Where ever you from ,you sound like you might know what i'm talking about,you seem inner city.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LmW_WZZqCNQ&feature=user
"All in the Game"
peace out
U.D.
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Apr 24, 2008 10:15 AM
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As much as you on Omar's nuttsack I'm scared to open that link for fear of seeing D!CK and BALLZ. I'll pass homie....
For the record, Omar's character was relevant and mos def needed eraly on in the show. But he lingered way past his prime lyk Kareem Abdul Jabbar did with the Lakers...
And YES, I do know a true to lyfe real homo-thug that will push yo wig back at the drop of a hat.
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