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As a true "Wire" fan, I was bored and started thinking...if you pit Avon's crew at full strength vs. Marlo's crew, full strength, who would win?...think about it
Avon's Crew:
Avon (leader)
Stringer
Muscle:
Wee-Bey
Bird
Stinkum
Savino
Slim Charles
Marlo's Crew:
Marlo (leader)
Muscle:
Chris
Snoop
Michael
Monk
Kid that did Bodie
personally, I think that Avon's crew wins, hands down...as big as Marlo's crew is, and as much as they move around, Avon's crew's smarter, not as reckless, and they all worked good together without much complaint...you see Chris already second-guessing Marlo, bickering within the ranks...and they a little reckless droppin bodies...
what y'all think?
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 5:49 PM
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> > It was odd that Avon could see the amount of
> media
> > attention the Clay Davis hit would generate,
> but
> > failed in other aspects of leadership- such as
> riding
> > in the car when Chris shot him.
>
> Avon was caught up in the gangster version of a
> mid-life crisis.
>
> He needed to prove to himself that he still "had it"
> after being in the pen all that time, which is why he
> got so directly involved.
>
>
> > Obviously Stinkum, Bird, Little Man and
> > especially Wee Bey were a hard core team of
> hitters
> > which woud have probably doubled Avon's
> fighting
> > strength. However, I still think Chris is beyond
> any
> > of them, based on what I've seen in the show the
> last
> > 2.5 seasons. To me Avon would have an edge but
> the
> > outcome would be unclear.
>
> I think Wee Bey would eat Chris' lunch. Let's not
> forget he bucked it out with Omar one on one TWICE
> and shot his ass and ran him off one of those times.
>
> What did Chris do, rolling with a four on two
> ambush?
>
> In CLOSE quarters?
>
> He couldnt kill him.
>
> Not to mention Bodie ALONE held off Chris and Snoop,
> who had to jump him three on one, with the third
> coming out of some back alley and sneakin up on him
> like a punk.
>
> Wee-Bey definitely.
>
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> Edited by DaleMabry at 02/12/2008 1:41 PM
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> Edited by DaleMabry at 02/12/2008 1:43 PM
I'm a big Weebay fan, but he's not even close to the hitter Chris Partlow is. And Bodie didn't hold shiit off. They were just decoys for O-Dogg to sneak Bodie for the clean hit. That's why Chris is so good. He planned that hit to perfection. He knew Bodie would be so distracted by him and Snoop, that it would leave an opening for someone to sneak from behind and drop him instead of having some shootout
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 5:47 PM
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> I think Wee Bey would eat Chris' lunch. Let's not
> forget he bucked it out with Omar one on one TWICE
> and shot his ass and ran him off one of those times.
>
> What did Chris do, rolling with a four on two
> ambush?
>
> In CLOSE quarters?
>
> He couldnt kill him.
>
> Not to mention Bodie ALONE held off Chris and Snoop,
> who had to jump him three on one, with the third
> coming out of some back alley and sneakin up on him
> like a punk.
>
> Wee-Bey definitely.
>
Standing ovation for DaleMabry!
Weebey was the man.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 5:46 PM
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> It is interesting to note how many people want to use
> what might have happened as an indication of who is
> stronger, rather than what actually did happen... The
> fact of the matter is that the only reason Marlo and
> his crew where at the rim shop in the first place was
> because of Stringer Bell's death... So one could
> argue that if Stringer Bell was still alive, Avon
> would not have had the opportunity at the rim shop at
> all (just as people argue that if the warrant had not
> been served, Marlo would be dead).
>
> I prefer to look at the entire war in season 3. In
> that War, it became obvoius (or at least, it was
> implied) that Marlo's soldiers were, "pound for
> pound", better than Avon's; as Marlo said in that
> self same rim shop to Vinson "man, Barksdale weak
> right now... and he ain't working with the ammunition
> I got". Marlo's organization (and indeed, Avon's)
> were both much bigger than what we see directly in
> the show. In season 3, they mentioned that Marlo
> o had like 15 corners, all of them "tooled up" for
> the war...
>
> Having said that, the original question was not about
> season 3, but with both of the crews at full
> strength. Obviously Stinkum, Bird, Little Man and
> especially Wee Bey were a hard core team of hitters
> which woud have probably doubled Avon's fighting
> strength. However, I still think Chris is beyond any
> of them, based on what I've seen in the show the last
> 2.5 seasons. To me Avon would have an edge but the
> outcome would be unclear.
>
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> "On this day, when we go to exercise our blessed
> franchise"
>
> "And we will be brief with all of you motherfuckers.
> I think you know."
>
> "His sister, his mi-mah, some fag he be with... all
> that shit count, ya heard me?"
Actually Marlo said "He ain't WORTH the ammunition I got". Basically, Marlo didn't even bring it to Avon like he could have, because he didn't need to.
Marlo and Avon are about even at full strength, but Marlo's people seem to be smarter and more cautious because of Chris.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 4:54 PM
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> > It was odd that Avon could see the amount of
> media
> > attention the Clay Davis hit would generate,
> but
> > failed in other aspects of leadership- such as
> riding
> > in the car when Chris shot him.
>
> Avon was caught up in the gangster version of a
> mid-life crisis.
>
> He needed to prove to himself that he still "had it"
> after being in the pen all that time, which is why he
> got so directly involved.
>
>
> > Obviously Stinkum, Bird, Little Man and
> > especially Wee Bey were a hard core team of
> hitters
> > which woud have probably doubled Avon's
> fighting
> > strength. However, I still think Chris is beyond
> any
> > of them, based on what I've seen in the show the
> last
> > 2.5 seasons. To me Avon would have an edge but
> the
> > outcome would be unclear.
>
> I think Wee Bey would eat Chris' lunch. Let's not
> forget he bucked it out with Omar one on one TWICE
> and shot his ass and ran him off one of those times.
>
> What did Chris do, rolling with a four on two
> ambush?
>
> In CLOSE quarters?
>
> He couldnt kill him.
>
> Not to mention Bodie ALONE held off Chris and Snoop,
> who had to jump him three on one, with the third
> coming out of some back alley and sneakin up on him
> like a punk.
>
> Wee-Bey definitely.
>
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> Edited by DaleMabry at 02/12/2008 1:41 PM
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> Edited by DaleMabry at 02/12/2008 1:43 PM
Ah yes, the Spiderman/ Iron Couch episode again 
I do not think it makes any difference mind you, but remember that Wee Bey and the rest of the Barksdales were tasked with killing Omar, but never did. We will see where Omar lands at the end of this season, and whether it is somebody in the Stanfield organization that kills him.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 4:52 PM
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> "I don't think Slim Charles should be included
> on the Barksdale side. If you include him, you might
> as well include Brother Mouzone, and then the outcome
> is not in doubt."
>
> Na...you have to include Slim...if you remember, Slim
> was actually a part of Avon's organization, like how
> Chris is to Marlo...Brother Mouzone doesn't count
> because he's a hired gunner that Avon has connects
> to, but is not officially a part of Avon's
> crew...Slim is though...
Fair enough, but it is the same thing in effect... Slim was hired for muscle because the Barksdales didn't have any, as was Brother... In any case, I interpreted "full strength" to mean the organizations at their peak, not a "fantasy team" composed of people that never worked together.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 4:40 PM
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> It was odd that Avon could see the amount of media
> attention the Clay Davis hit would generate, but
> failed in other aspects of leadership- such as riding
> in the car when Chris shot him.
Avon was caught up in the gangster version of a mid-life crisis.
He needed to prove to himself that he still "had it" after being in the pen all that time, which is why he got so directly involved.
> Obviously Stinkum, Bird, Little Man and
> especially Wee Bey were a hard core team of hitters
> which woud have probably doubled Avon's fighting
> strength. However, I still think Chris is beyond any
> of them, based on what I've seen in the show the last
> 2.5 seasons. To me Avon would have an edge but the
> outcome would be unclear.
I think Wee Bey would eat Chris' lunch. Let's not forget he bucked it out with Omar one on one TWICE and shot his ass and ran him off one of those times.
What did Chris do, rolling with a four on two ambush?
In CLOSE quarters?
He couldnt kill him.
Not to mention Bodie ALONE held off Chris and Snoop, who had to jump him three on one, with the third coming out of some back alley and sneakin up on him like a punk.
Wee-Bey definitely.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 4:22 PM
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"I don't think Slim Charles should be included on the Barksdale side. If you include him, you might as well include Brother Mouzone, and then the outcome is not in doubt."
Na...you have to include Slim...if you remember, Slim was actually a part of Avon's organization, like how Chris is to Marlo...Brother Mouzone doesn't count because he's a hired gunner that Avon has connects to, but is not officially a part of Avon's crew...Slim is though...
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 3:01 PM
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> > This is the easiest topic! Hands down no
> question
> > Avons crew! If you trying to base Marlo's crew
> being
> > stronger because if season 3 your waayyyy off!
> At
> > full strength his squad aint close to Avon's.
> Avon
> > had Weebay who actually hit Omar unlike Chris
> and
> > Weebay was just as ruthless and usually got his
> > target too. Bird, Savino, Little Man, you gotta
> add
> > Slim because he crew, Bodie wouldve rode, u add
> > Brother because he connected to him so if need
> be he
> > gone ride, Wolf, Dee Angelo caught bodies and
> Avon
> > himself would ride. All Marlo really got is
> Chris and
> > Snoop. Mike and O-Dogg would get got quick
> fuckin wit
> > Weebay and Stinkum (Who I didnt even name).
> In
> > season 3 half of Avon muscle was locked up and
> if
> > Stringer didnt snitch they wouldve got Marlo
> that
> > night. Slim had the drop on him and Avon them
> was
> > waiting wit Choppers and grenades.lol. These
> niggaz
> > was ready. The answer for this is easy
>
>
> I can't believe how easily people forget....Avon's
> crew would definitely be able to take out Marlos
> crew...this nigga was about to bring Iraq into the
> hood.....this nigga had grenades....Marlo wasn't up
> on that shit......If his crew wasn't locked down and
> Stringa bitch ass didn't snitched.....hell Marlo
> woulda been another dead dealer, laying beside chris
> and snoop!
>
> --
> Its all in the game!
Well, as Stringer tried to tell him, Avon needed to stop playing fucking soldier. The second you explode a grenade on any street in the U.S, you will make national news, the government will investigate, and most likely you entire organization will be interrogated and thrown in prison.
It was odd that Avon could see the amount of media attention the Clay Davis hit would generate, but failed in other aspects of leadership- such as riding in the car when Chris shot him.
Speaking of "what if" scenarios, what if Avon had been on the other side of the car when Chris blasted on them (clearly a simple matter of chance). Avon would have been gone right there.
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"And we will be brief with all of you motherfuckers. I think you know."
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 2:44 PM
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It is interesting to note how many people want to use what might have happened as an indication of who is stronger, rather than what actually did happen... The fact of the matter is that the only reason Marlo and his crew where at the rim shop in the first place was because of Stringer Bell's death... So one could argue that if Stringer Bell was still alive, Avon would not have had the opportunity at the rim shop at all (just as people argue that if the warrant had not been served, Marlo would be dead).
I prefer to look at the entire war in season 3. In that War, it became obvoius (or at least, it was implied) that Marlo's soldiers were, "pound for pound", better than Avon's; as Marlo said in that self same rim shop to Vinson "man, Barksdale weak right now... and he ain't working with the ammunition I got". Marlo's organization (and indeed, Avon's) were both much bigger than what we see directly in the show. In season 3, they mentioned that Marlo had like 15 corners, all of them "tooled up" for the war...
Having said that, the original question was not about season 3, but with both of the crews at full strength. Obviously Stinkum, Bird, Little Man and especially Wee Bey were a hard core team of hitters which woud have probably doubled Avon's fighting strength. However, I still think Chris is beyond any of them, based on what I've seen in the show the last 2.5 seasons. To me Avon would have an edge but the outcome would be unclear.
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"On this day, when we go to exercise our blessed franchise"
"And we will be brief with all of you motherfuckers. I think you know."
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 2:32 PM
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yeah saja if any of yall really think Marlo was gonna win yall are seriously mistaken I think Avon respacted the fact that Marlo was willin to go to war but c'mon slim was just waiting on word to merk them fools plan as day. It must kill Slim to know that, that boy was on his way put and now he got to listen to him as he runs shit. Infact Marlo has never even been in a gun fight on screen only person I remeber him killing himself was that girl Avon try to set him up with atleast Avon crew had been thru wars and came out the victors like I said Marlo didn't beat Avon stinger did thats why I didn't care when he got his
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 2:19 PM
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> This is the easiest topic! Hands down no question
> Avons crew! If you trying to base Marlo's crew being
> stronger because if season 3 your waayyyy off! At
> full strength his squad aint close to Avon's. Avon
> had Weebay who actually hit Omar unlike Chris and
> Weebay was just as ruthless and usually got his
> target too. Bird, Savino, Little Man, you gotta add
> Slim because he crew, Bodie wouldve rode, u add
> Brother because he connected to him so if need be he
> gone ride, Wolf, Dee Angelo caught bodies and Avon
> himself would ride. All Marlo really got is Chris and
> Snoop. Mike and O-Dogg would get got quick fuckin wit
> Weebay and Stinkum (Who I didnt even name). In
> season 3 half of Avon muscle was locked up and if
> Stringer didnt snitch they wouldve got Marlo that
> night. Slim had the drop on him and Avon them was
> waiting wit Choppers and grenades.lol. These niggaz
> was ready. The answer for this is easy
I can't believe how easily people forget....Avon's crew would definitely be able to take out Marlos crew...this nigga was about to bring Iraq into the hood.....this nigga had grenades....Marlo wasn't up on that shit......If his crew wasn't locked down and Stringa bitch ass didn't snitched.....hell Marlo woulda been another dead dealer, laying beside chris and snoop!
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 1:46 PM
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> This is a whole lot easier than peple think. Remember
> in the end of season three Avon's crew was ready to
> take out Marlo at the Rim shop and remember ALL the
> muscle the Avon had in that warehouse Avon crew not
> only would win but was about to hammer the nails into
> Marlo's coffin until string snitched.
> The ONLY reason Marlo won out is because Sting
> snitched let us not 4get that casue as I stated b4
> Avon had mad fother muckers waiting to kill all them
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> "Sounds like one of those good problems"
MIND&SOUL438
Its a done deal right here this encompases what i was going to say. Avon crew woulda been Xed Marlo out if stringer would have done what Avon told him to do in the first place. remember that Convo avon an string had at the Docs. Marlo crew wasn't workin the corners avon workers was still out! in this all off 3rd season only ,1st season woulda been a done deal you people is crazy if you voted for marlo
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 1:31 PM
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> lucille you agree with huh.
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Picture me shaking me head up and down. When I saw the thread title I thought, "you must be joking".
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 1:27 PM
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lucille you agree with huh.
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Re: Full Strength: Avon's Crew Vs. Marlo's Crew
Feb 12, 2008 1:23 PM
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> This is a whole lot easier than peple think. Remember
> in the end of season three Avon's crew was ready to
> take out Marlo at the Rim shop and remember ALL the
> muscle the Avon had in that warehouse Avon crew not
> only would win but was about to hammer the nails into
> Marlo's coffin until string snitched.
> The ONLY reason Marlo won out is because Sting
> snitched let us not 4get that casue as I stated b4
> Avon had mad fother muckers waiting to kill all them
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> "Sounds like one of those good problems"
Uh -hu.
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