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One thing the Wire always shows is that the system never works. Just to refresh memories.
HAMSTERDAM: Colvin was getting pressure from the bosses to lower the murder count during the mayoral elections. No one got the job done but Colvin but his way of getting that might of been unethical. Colvin gathered up all the major drug dealer and pushed them into three territories and told them that as long as their is no killing and violence they will look the other way and he'd offered them immunity. The idea actually worked and he got the job done. And for that he demoted to lieutenant status lost his major's pension and was forced to leave the force.
SERIAL KILLER: Once again the mayor deems it more important to fix schools than actually to police work. So even thought the mayor promised raises he cut overtime and money from the department. Leaving them to work for scraps. No overtime to get police work done. With a guy responsible for 22 murders running the streets. So McNulty makes up the serial killer angle to get money thrown back into the department. To really work an illegal wire tap on Marlo. This is actually working so far.
my question to everyone is. Which is the worse of these decisions.
"Ef the bosses"- Bunny Colvin
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 19, 2008 12:06 AM
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Hamsterdam could've worked, I think. At Hamsterdam, treatment could've been given to the addicts, trying to get some of them off of drugs. Also, tests for HIV, AIDS and other STIs and STDs could've been administered as well.
The serial killer thing was too bizarre: that's messing with the dead, that's something that you don't do. It's not good karma.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 18, 2008 4:21 PM
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Hard question to answer. Both are breaking the law. But some would argue that drugs should be legalized. No one would argue in McNutty's favor.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 18, 2008 4:12 PM
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They both would go to Hell..
but in terms of saving lives...they are about equal
As crazy as it may have been...Colvin saved lived because all the trafficking was centered to one area. So children could play, no one was fighting for space and the cops were right there...I do feel sorry for that one old lady though
McNulty & lester...well they got snoop n chris off the street, marlo for a moment, monk n cheese...their efforts led to an open street, snoop getting murked, cheese+murked..monk in jail, marlo out?! Probably saved countless lives
so they about equal bad ideas, but some very good points
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM
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Without a doubt, McNulty's serial killer. That was absolutely the worst.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 18, 2008 12:32 AM
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The Homeless Killings "make believe" as Bunk would say...
Total waste of time and of the last Season especially with The Sun Newspaper slant.
Colvin's plan if tweaked was brilliant... he gave the brass what they wanted and gave those poor people their streets back.
I did feel for the poor older lady that did not want to leave though, City should have condemned her house and moved her away.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 17, 2008 11:46 PM
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Out of curiosity, did you read the article in the link I provided earlier ? Im only asking because Simon seems to believe that what Bunny did was worse, and his reasoning for it is pretty interesting.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM
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Not even a question - McNulty's serial killer ploy is MUCH worse.
I sometimes wonder what the posters to this board are even thinking. Maybe there's two different worlds after all.
Let me spell it out:
The difference is in the heart. Colvin's is, was, and always will be in the right place, McNulty's never was, isn't, and never will be.
Dig,
Bunny Colvin was a mid-level, but ultimately failed PO-lice commander, who realized somewhat too late that the failure lied not with himself or his officers, but, indeed, the very system he served. Taking the tiger by the tail, and thinking WAY out of the box, he responded to the asinine management edicts to reduce his crime numbers at all costs, both creatively and effectively. Unfortunately, his methods were slightly illegal as well. Small detail. Net effects, he's busted and drug trafficing takes a further, unsuspecting, hit. Oh well!
Jimmy McNulty was a low level detective hack, who took it upon himself, with no management impetus whatsoever, to initiate a fraudulent line of investigation, in order to procure funds and justify/cover for a broader investigation (which should send chills down any private citizen's spine alone), much of which came to fruition in spite of laughable police malfeasance, thanks to even greater (and more laughable) higher level bureaucratic corruption.
Colvin leaves redeemed, with his adopted son Namond Brice (whose father Wee-Bey is, need I say it, a lifer) as well.
McNulty leaves conflicted, presumably with better days ahead.
Are you kiding? Advantage Colvin. This one's not even close.
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Edited by DaNihilist at 03/17/2008 6:31 PM
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 15, 2008 3:45 AM
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Lukeblaze,
Great thread topic.
I see them as pretty even up. Both were acts of desperate men and a reaction to suffocating bureaucracy. Neither changed anything in the long run. Both had painful collateral damage. But as plot devices on the series, both did a great job of confronting the hypocrisy of the status quo.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 13, 2008 4:39 PM
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Hamsterdam "worked" in achieving the objectives Colvin set out to accomplish. Most of the violence associated with the drug trade would disappear if the money disappeared, and the money is there because the stuff is illegal. Hamsterdam was shut down because it was politically unacceptable, not because it didn't work. That theme culminated in the visit by the "Assistant Drug Czar" to Clarence Royce's office during which he threatened to cut off all Federal Aid to Baltimore and bring all the resources of the Justice Department to bear on "shutting down any geopolitical entity in which drugs are....legal." Remember the dude who played the part, he could have walked right out of the officers quarters at Auschwitz.
One of the major messages of S.3 as I understand it is that restoring life and peace to our inner-cities is impossible as long as we continue to buy into the "drug war" propaganda. The show's writer have said as much in a published interview with CNN/TIME posted which is linked to elsewhere in this forum.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 13, 2008 11:21 AM
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I have to say McNulty's serial killer because he used up so many resourses, money and got the city all riled up over something fake. Real cases got pushed to the side while they continued to fake more killings. And in the end Marlo walked away with all his money.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 13, 2008 4:25 AM
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I onno they were both pretty bad....but Hampsterdam was the worse....wirse that more disease passed around then a fake serial killer on the news....
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 12, 2008 12:18 PM
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Definitely the McNulty "serial killer". It had the potential to call up the wacko's copy cats, it pulled police from legitimate murders to chase fake a$# murders, just pile it on.
Even though you could say there may be some "fallout" from Hamsterdam, I think people who live in the communities who are at the mercy of the dealers, addicts, beat downs, homicides get a reprieve if all that madness is contained in one area. Personally I dont see a down side of that.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 12, 2008 11:36 AM
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To me, it's a matter of putting yourself in both scenarios. Personally, if I had to choose between the two, I'd rather live in:
- an area where drug traffickers and dope fiends are forced to one section, with the promise of catching beatdowns of biblical proportions should they stray from the nest...
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- a city living in fear due to a (mythical) sex-crazed serial homeless killer on the loose, and police not focusing on any crime other than that.
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Re: Whats Worse? Colvin's Hamsterdam or McNulty's serial killer?
Mar 12, 2008 11:28 AM
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Since I believe that drugs shouldn't be criminalized, then I'd have to go with the serial killer. He (McNulty) tied up city resources and may have contributed to the neglect of actual crimes or crime prevention.
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